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Originally Posted by Damien

Last night was easily a bigger upset. A league 2 team against a Premiership team? I know the atmosphere around Arsenal is depressing and negative but we've not declined to the status of a league 2 team.

However the final hurt a lot more because we weren't expecting it whilst tonight was a continuation of a bad few months and obviously losing a final is always worse.

Well thats your view on it. I'd say something unexpected was a bigger upset to something thats come about due to a decline. I mean come on, how long are certain fans still going to blindly support Wenger? I'm not going to be forcefed Wengers crap anymore. Hes lost it, its as simple as that.

Originally Posted by Damien

I really hope we're getting a striker and a defensive midfielder, also maybe then Zaha from Palace too. I don't give a flying toss about Walcott either, inconsistent run of form and like Nasri before him he chooses to suddenly apply himself when his contract is nearing an end. Fed up with it. We have Chamberlain and maybe then Zaha so we don't need Walcott at £100,000 a week. Utterly absurd. Wenger is right not to let him use the club as another platform to move onto more money elsewhere.

It also bothers me their constant excuses. Last season he didn't want to discuss it because he wanted to see if we're in the Champions League, then he didn't want to discuss it because he wanted to play up front, now he doesn't want t discuss it because he isn't playing. We know damn well why you don't want to discuss it, because the club isn't offering £100,000. That's normal, we would all want to be paid more, just admit it.

Fair enough players leaving is annoying me too but lets please put this into perspective. The players are leaving for a big reason! We are not competing. Our greats of yesterday, a few weeks ago on goals on Sunday Seaman was sitting on the couch saying the thing that kept players at Arsenal was that we was competing and winning. These players are jumping ship at the thought of money and competing, if we was competing then it would be different. Players would think twice even over money.

I'm not buying into its the players fault. I'm not buying into players up and leave just because of money. I'm not buying into any of this crap! The problems are simple. Our manager has caused this, nothing more nothing less. Whether or not the board have let Wenger wonder heedlessly is up in the air and probably true but lets not get away from the fact Wenger earned freedom and hes failed with it. Again! why the hell didn't he add a player or two in 08? He's continued with this crap vision of his. Look at our wage bill, players offering something, add that up. Because we're not competing on the pitch we just saw a pretty crap deal come through the door with Emirates. You may find its good but I think its poor. Our upcoming kit deal is said to be around the 20m mark, if thats true then thats poor too! I want to see Arsenal competing and with that will see our 'business' peak. Mis-bloody-management!

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Originally Posted by denphone

Arsene Wenger not embarrassed by loss.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20689836

Well Mr Wenger l think its time for you to go if you are not embarassed by last night.

hes starting to annoy me. you know hes letting the players get paid huge amounts for very little because of his own hellbent ways. its him!

Wenger comments post match via SkySports...

"Congratulations to Bradford, they had a good start and after that they defended well,"

they done ok, they were up for it but our faults were clear to see.

"Overall we had many chances. The keeper had a great game and we couldn't convert our chances.

we had chances to do something but failed. same ol'd hey!

"When you go out it's never good enough at Arsenal. I think we lost on penalties to a team who defended well."

defended well? ok on we go to the next line...

"I cannot fault the effort we gave for 120 minutes. You have to give credit to Bradford on the night. That's part of the game. You feel embarrassed when you don't give everything, I think (the players'll) be more disappointed and frustrated."

effort? giving everything? look there were positives but come on, that was a poor same ol'd new decline performance. so were there any problems Arsene?

"It's not a lack of quality. We couldn't convert our chances for different reasons. Overall it was a real cup game."

so now we're getting somewhere!!! we have the quality, yes we do have a pretty decent squad, not amazing but one that should be performing better. I was shocked the guy asking the questions didn't ask Arsene what these different reasons were? has he woken up? I doubt it very much. Overall its Wengers frigging fault!

"We will get over that. It's part of our club, it's what we do."

Wengers becoming a pro within his own crap. careful.

"It was a typical English cup game on a difficult pitch and overall we lost on penalties but I cannot fault the efforts, we kept going until the last minute and in the end Bradford got on top of us. The pitch was a bit slippery and there was no space."

efforts? lame! the pitch was slippery and there was no space. rightttt! make bloody space then! jeez.

"Of course we missed three penalties and that's a lot to take."

actually its not. what has been a lot to take is this continued decline because of his bullcrap vision.

"We played with a very offensive team and for over an hour played with five strikers but couldn't score."

we played an offensive side but put square pegs in round holes. Gervinho=FAIL! Ramsey=FAIL! 100k of Pod not put upfront=FAIL! trying to replicate the movement formation of Barca, Spain = FAIL!

"Where does it leave our season? To focus on the next game, sport is about that."

great, more of the same then? the odd win followed by our crap being shown up for all to see apart our trusty manager whos lost. brilliant. I'm looking forward to it as always.