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Originally Posted by Damien
I think you do need quite significant spending to compete. I haven't seen many examples in football where a team has managed to compete with someone that has a much higher budget. Here that would be Manchester City and Chelsea, in Spain it's Barcelona and Real Madrid. Germany is better but that's largely because they do not have juggernauts spending billions on their squads.
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hold on you just agreed we got close in 08 when we lacked a player or two. there were players around that would not have cost the earth in transfer fee in salary.
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Originally Posted by Damien
In England however the trend towards high spending has been the case since in the inception of the Premier League. Only one club outside the high earners have won the league in 20 years, that was Blackburn, and that was because they were financed for that title challenge by Jack Walker.
So it's not clear to me that you can compete on the field when you cannot compete in the transfer market. It just hasn't be done in the last 20 years. All the clubs that have won the Premier League have managed to compete with their rival clubs in the transfer market. That trend has only got more pronounced with the arrival of Chelsea.
If it was possible to build a title winning team without spending big other clubs would have done it by now. Especially us.
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there are many players out in the world. other clubs scouting network sucked. now its becoming clear you have to have a decent network.
we were close. Wenger failed to add a player or two into the mix. by the way Arsenal are more than capable of spending big. the fact theres other players and the fact Arsenal wont go throw an extra 10mil for the sake of it means we can compete.
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People always cry out for more players. Sometimes they will be correct, other times they won't. I agree that in 2008 we should have had better squad depth but we didn't and that was that. It's worth remembering all the other things the fans said we should do that would have been mistakes, remember the outcry for M'Vila? Now M'Vila's career is descending rapidly down the pan. The problem is the fans forget when they're wrong but remember when the manager is wrong for the next 10 years.
Arsenal won't be able to dominate. I don't understand that logic at all. We may one season make a heroic bid for the title but, unless the football climate changes, we won't ever dominate and we never really have since Chapman. United or Liverpool were always there.
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right firstly fair enough both parties are right and wrong but not addressing the obvious is foolish.
M'Vilas a tool.
i meant dominating maximising resources available.
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.A title charge is an unrealistic expectation given the resources available. Even if we spent all the money in the bank our squad wouldn't match Manchester City's one. Given wages a player like Hazard would almost wipe it out.
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we dont need to match City or Chelseas wage bill. its inflated just like ours is at the moment seeing as we're getting nothing from half the squad. look at Newcastles wage bill and what they achieved. a much much lower wage bill who missed out of CL but still pushed until the end. we have a budget of 4th biggest spenders in salary. i think a title charge is more than capable if resources are spent properly, the squad players are kept on their toes and formations suit.
i honestly cant believe youve been sucked into the crap.
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The stars leave because they can double their contracts elsewhere. Wenger doesn't want to buy 'average crap' but each transfer is a risk. Clubs everywhere make bad decisions when buying players. It isn't easy. I trust Wenger more than I trust fans when it comes to judging a players quality.
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so they leave just because of money? right ok. and Wenger doesnt want to buy crap? its his choice to buy and persist with crap.