[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

So quote these "absolute numbers" and then we can work out what %age that is of VM customers overall and see if it is anywhere approaching >50%.

Carl why don't/can't you stop asking people to supply proof for things we all know they can't. If I started picking you up on all your comments that couldn't be substantiated, I wonder how many times a week I would be asking you to do the impossible?

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Absolutely. But then I also realise that nothing is ever perfect.

Will keep reminding you of that when you refuse to accept the inadequacies of VM kit in the future.

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Absolutely. And if you can prove it hasn't for a majority of VM's broadband customers I will happily add my voice to your complaint to the ASA about their lies in their advertising.

Originally Posted by carlwaring

It is precisely because we don't know exact figures that we cannot say for certain that the SH is as bad as you make out.

See my first comment in this post, but then you admit you are being pugnacious by confirming the figures you ask for are unknown outside VM.

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Cite a source for this please.

I think I've covered my thoughts on this type of post from you.

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Exactly. I have said all along that I am happy to concede that some people are having some problems with the SH. Whereas Sephiroth et al have always simply made the blanket statement that ALL SHs are "a pile of cack", etc. Which is, quite clearly and simply - and demonstrably -wrong.

If I'm included in the et al statement I take offence as I thought I made quite a balanced post earlier this afternoon, but if I’m included in your blanket statement then let me say that all three superhubs I've had were nothing more than a waste of natural resources so therefore ALL superhubs must be rubbish. Of course as this statement is demonstrably wrong I look forward to your demonstration showing how wrong I am and in what way.

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Except no-one is "shying away" from anything. That I can see, anyway

Except you're shying away from the superhubs shortcomings. I wish they worked perfectly and wish I'd not had any problems, but I did have problems and it felt wrong that I had to fight with VM to get a working modem that would give me the service I was paying for. I wish I still had the ~£80 in the bank that I had to spend to get the hardware to do the routing job of the superhub.

Anyway, I think I've made my point but no doubt you'll be unable to resist your 'must have the last word' urges.

Cheers

Grim