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Old 19-06-2012, 10:07   #183
Alan Fry
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Re: Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?

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Originally Posted by LondonRoad View Post
I think what people forget is, before Moonbeams Murray started throwing silly money about, The top tier of the Scottish game was very competitive. Aberdeen, Dundee United, Hearts and Hibs were frequently in the hunt for trophies. Both Rangers and Celtic finished in 5th spot on at least one occassion in the days before the Souness revolution.

All these clubs went deeper and deeper into debt trying to compete financially with Rangers. They bought expensive imports, many of whom couldn't lace the boots of the players they replaced, and paid ridicolous high salaries.

At the time of Celtic's near demise Murray famously stated "For every £5 pound Celtic spend Rangers will spend £10".. and they did.

It's just a pity it wasn't their own money

The news isn't getting any better for the club who were Rangers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18496571

"The Scottish Premier League says Rangers have "a prima facie case to answer in respect of [league] rules" over payments to players."

The history may have to be rewritten of the old Rangers to remove a few titles they won illegally.
I blame the decline of the new firm (which began when Fergie moved south of the border), for the continuing dominance of the Old Firm.

Celtic did face near demise in in mid-90s, but ironically they are now owned by two Irish businessmen, (Dermot Desmond and Denis O'Brien), a group a lot of which have faced financial ruin. Ironically it’s Rangers, not Celtic that is facing the same fate!

Craig Whyte and David Murray have ruined a long established football club, I feel that best thing to do is for the fans to buy the club, except relegation to 3rd division and rebuild the team so it become a challenge to Celtic again!

Until that happens, I hope other SPL clubs challenge Celtic for the title (not likely though), if not, then Celtic should move to the EPL

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Originally Posted by Derek View Post
Pffft. Given the SPL's record of enforcement I can't see that going ahead, even if it does they'll make a hash of it.

Still even if they do the titles will always be Rangers in the minds of their fans. Celtic count the goals they scored during WW2 even though they aren't officially theirs (funnily enough their record defeat to Rangers during that period isn't counted in their records )



The other teams might want a chance to win but it doesn't change the fact the rules don't allow Celtic to move leagues and the English clubs don't want them.



They'll support the new Rangers team that will be playing at Ibrox.



They'll vote the way Lawell tells them to...

3rd Division is the way forward for Rangers. Stuff the rest of them, let them see how they get on with a vastly reduced media deal and the loss of two big home gates each season. Rangers should go on and rebuilt and let the investigations into Murray, White, Duff and Phelps and the rest run their course.

If the home crowds increase then happy days, I can't see it and think the crowds will reduce overall. Certainly after the initial boost the manky mob will see their reported gates drop off markedly without the Old Firm games. There are an awful lot of Mothers Days over in the East End.
The English Leagues have allowed the big Welsh Clubs (Cardiff, Swansea etc) to compete in their leagues already, whats to stop them doing the same to Celtic

Are you also suggesting that if the deal falls through Rangers fans will buy the club and start again the in the third division?
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