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Originally Posted by martyh
No offence but that's a sheltered life you have led .You wouldn't believe some of the crap i have heard over the years and much of it is supposed to be allowed in the Quran ,the favourite one at the moment to explain why these men did what they did is men may enjoy what your right hands own.It is a common belief amongst far right groups that Indians ,Pakistanis,Africans etc all "enjoy" their children as a matter of course.It's that type of thinking that needs to be addressed ,how that will be achieved especially when those in need of the education are pretty much un educateable is beyond me
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Originally Posted by martyh
No offence but that's a sheltered life you have led .
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Sorry ? Sheltered Life? On what basis do you make that conclusion?
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Originally Posted by martyh
You wouldn't believe some of the crap i have heard over the years and much of it is supposed to be allowed in the Quran,the favourite one at the moment to explain why these men did what they did is men may enjoy what your right hands own.
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I've heard a lot of crap to about what is supposedly written in tjhe Quran. Not saying you havent, but when this has been the case for me, I've actually researched it further.
CAn you tell me what you think that statement means?
Islam teaches you to enjoy things that you have acquired legitamately and what is Halaal (permissable). Acquiring anything aquired in an illegal manner is forbidden (Haraam). You cannot enjoy anything you have acquired illegally/immorally - I think the implication here is that these guys thought they owned the girls?
Do you really think any of the guys convicted in this case were devout or even practising muslims? Do you think they were influenced by their religion.
I challenge you to find anywhere in the Quran, you don't even have to interpret it - just cut and paste any verse from an english translation, where you can reach any form of conclusion that it is ok to groom and rape kids.
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Originally Posted by martyh
.It is a common belief amongst far right groups that Indians ,Pakistanis,Africans etc all "enjoy" their children as a matter of course.
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You know what, I am not talking about right wing groups. I am talking about the general media, and views from people who I would not consider as being right winged that are promoting a view that this is a race issue, and specific to one culture.
One danger in this is that you ignore the victims, you could be building a seanario where people think it only happens in this culture or that one, and by sticking to one which they feel is safe, might not be the best outcome.
I have not, in any of my posts above, said that it doesnt happen in the British PAkistani Muslim culture. What I am saying is that the manner of the reporting in this case, and subsequent views, has been totally different as to if it had been an English WHite gang commiting the crimes.
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Originally Posted by martyh
Maybe the problem is the Asian gangs perception of us and how we treat our young children by allowing them to hang out at kebab shops drinking .Maybe they don't care because they percieve us as not caring .It's all well and good getting all uptight and indignant about gangs of any sort picking up under age girls and boys but if us adults looked after them a bit better then they wouldn't be in that position in the first place
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Again you could say that about anyone exploiting young children. The way I look at it, evil people pick on the most vunerable in society.
You have hit the nail on the head. We need to do something that stops kids getting in that position - the one in which they are exploitted in the first place.
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
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I don't think that the issue of rapists not being convicted, aqs well as the question "when is rape not rape" is exclusive to Pakistan.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/ju...igrationpolicy