[babis3g]

Thanks "dragon" for the information
i have gone for the draytek 2850n & should be arriving in the mid of the week

draytek via email told me with the 2920n i may (not always) need and the extra vigor 120 modem(plus about £40-50) for adsl
they also say that the 2850n can go easy up to 80/20 speeds because it support vdsl profile up to 30a and firewall support up to 100mbs speed but is just not tested official (i wonder)

seen reply's for the 2850n in other topics forums it works good for them with infinity (adsl is my goal)
plus a VM user had left good review (using as just router not dual wan)

@ specs side has got some more intresting features on top of the 2920n
the 2850n has got modem build in for adsl or vdsl
wi-fi 2.4 & 5.8 Ghz (2920 only 2.4)
ready ipv6 (reviews saying not working properly at the moment)

broadband-buyer had the 2920 for &192
2850n from dabs for £203 with post (small difference between them so got it from dabs)

will post pics when it comes and start using it with VM in modem mode ... till adsl go live
thanks all involved for your infos