[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Here we go. everyone except those who have a certificate are dangerous drivers

even those with certificates kill people.

Suppose it was possible for someone to get a certificate by paying for the course. and then he turned around and said I drive fast on the roads and I have the required certificate that says I have had the training and says I am competent. and then someone says are you a policeman or an emergency vehicle driver?

and he says no. that person will say well it don't count because only them people are safe drivers.

we are crazy people.

What a load of tosh!!

It isn't safe for anyone to drive on public highways, at excessive speeds, without blue lights and sirens to warn other road users.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Would you feel safer if he had one of these certificates you can get?

You can't get those certificates, full stop!!!

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Originally Posted by Osem

So what happens when our 100mph plus speeder loses control due to, say, a tyre blowout, falling asleep, suffering a heart attack, getting distracted by something or whatever? Do his clearly superior driving abilities and reactions allow him to prevent his car overturning and careering out of control into oncoming traffic? Do they prevent the wreckage of his destroyed vehicle becoming an instant and serious threat to all the other motorists using that road at the time? Even if his car and reactions are up to it, what about those mere mortal road users who're suddenly confronted with the result of his actions? The car careering towards them or the wreckage all over the road? Does our super driver know how they're going to react and what might happen to them? Does that even matter to him? Of course, such events can happen at 70mph but there's no doubt that the higher the speed, the less time there is for the driver and other road users to react to any event and the more likely it is that the outcome will be fatal. Yes in the modern world it is about getting a sensible balance between speed and safety and IMHO the current limit is just that but I wouldn't object to a slightly lower limit.

Those who want to speed and choose which laws they obey would be doing the rest of us a big favour by confining their actions to private roads or tracks where the only people they can hurt are themselves.

Very well put. However I think there are a couple of people in this thread who think that laws are there to be broken, rather than for our safety.

They should remember that the biggest killer on the roads isn't alcohol, it's over inflated egos, and over inflated views of ones own ability.

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Originally Posted by martyh

I got one of those and basically they just reinforce driving correctly i.e thinking ahead ,staying within limits ect.ect

I don't think he was talking about advanced driving. I think he was talking about emergency vehicle blue light training, which members of the public can't get.