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Old 11-12-2011, 11:55   #374
Chrysalis
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Re: Eurozone will collapse...

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Originally Posted by Traduk View Post
Cameron had no choice but to take the action he took because of Merkel's insistence that a Tobin tax be applied to transactions passing through the City of London.

It could not have been outside of her knowledge that Sweden tried a unilateral imposition of a Tobin tax back in the 1980's and it was a total disaster which saw their domestic transactional business vanish abroad and with a reduced tax take through Capital Gains tax and almost none from the Tobin tax they had to stem the loss of tax by abandoning Tobin Tax.

It has been tried once on a unilateral basis and was a disaster. It would be again unless globally enforced and as we are unique within Europe as having a global exchange through which flows about a trillion a day in Forex trading, we were uniquely expected to kill our goose which lays the golden eggs.

I have a 100% belief that it would have destroyed the City of London as a major hub for financial transactions and with it would have gone a substantial number of the 1.3 million jobs in the finance area of the City and the 11% of the entire tax take to our exchequer,.

The Tobin tax is designed to curb and destroy speculative trading and can only be implemented if universal or it is a certainty that the business from which we reap so much will go elsewhere.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/workin...7_en.htm#chap3

Cameron was made an offer he had to refuse and IMO it was a political manoeuvre to sideline the UK. If all the others including Germany added their collective bourses and exchanges together they are totally insignificant compared to London in the global world of trading so what others were not concerned about hardly affected them at all and in many cases not at all.

That ploy was to get us out and for no other purpose and now that mission is accomplished I would not be surprised if the Tobin tax as to be applied to Europe isn't a long time, maybe never in coming. Eurex trading futures on German indices has been a long term rival to Liffe (trading futures on UK indices) but even though the are minuscule compared the to Forex flow through London I cannot somehow see Germany killing off Eurex.

Amid the double dealing and back stabbing approach within European politics there is an element that I read about frequently over the past few months. European leaders appear to wish to ignore the fact that Europe is inherently a flawed concept and wish to apply the blame for their dilemma on the contagion of debt problems of which we via our banks and exchanges were a major player. They appear set on wreaking vengeance on the free market approach which in showing those fault lines within Europe is analogous to shooting the messenger but ignoring the message.

Nothing has been achieved towards the immediate resolution of Europe's problems beyond the desired political agenda which will please the core countries and we have been ostracised as was obviously desired.

Contrary to what the inner core of Europe think there is only one player in this farce who matters and judgement will be made and appropriate action taken. In the world of global finance we are as major a hub and in some areas more so than the USA. The direction is set on the other side of the Atlantic and from there will come the eventual judgement on Europe. In politics not a lot happens by accident and we may well one day be more than grateful that Cameron took one for team UK when the French poodle snubbed him.
are you suggesting no action should be taken on the cause of the current problems simply because it will damage the city of london? with or without europe I strongly support any action that curbs what the bankers are doing.

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Originally Posted by mertle View Post
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16122895

Thought osbourne and cameron is being bit premature with these claims.

We simply dont know if it was in britains interest to be in or out. Only time will tell if we badly double dip and europe stabilise then we the biggest mugs living.

We recover they go under we laugh at europe but do we our exports/imports will suffer. Jobs will go so surely saving jobs should been cameron interests not protecting the savages who got us in the mess the banking sector.

Sadly here lies kicker we forced to protect because its only salvation left thats due to years backward politics from tories, blair new labour who stupidly made the country a service industry reliant.

Not enough manufacturing in the country to keep us going if the financial sector decided to up sticks. So like some only way was to protect it maybe we learned the hard way.

To be I would be shocked if they stay they will go anyway to hong kong, malaysia, shanghai, japan anywhere other europe.

They will try find there havens.

Very big testing times who right who wrong I pray to god cameron knows what he doing and pray to god he got the financial sector locked down.
so clegg finally grown some balls and got some morals back.

I wonder how many on this forum export any product or sell services to europe, I get the impression very little do as there is a clear anti eu vibe on here. The fact some are even suggesting the uk could just carry on without eu trade highliughts that.
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