:quite right kymmy,,,,it was only that the ross complete package ie,,dish etc was so cheap that i bought it,,i had nothing to lose at£25.with a bit of info from you i got good reception,.when my freeview is playing up i just swop over to my satellite,,,,got a good pic.thanks to cheapo ross im now in semi hobby satellite mode.i now have a bit of an idae what to buy when my ross box packs in.it just proves that most things have potential if one wants to find it.
