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Originally Posted by Osem
Have I argued for NO civil liberties? Have I said it's black and white? All or nothing? Did I say these people condoned rioting? That's rather a pathetic response and a very cheap shot of your own if I may say so. What these people have allowed to happen is not the riots, but the gradual taking away of the police's ability to act to defend the majority and the erosion of the respect with which they should be regarded. It's that which has allowed the riots to happen and I trust that's clear enough for you now. It seems you 'misunderstood' an earlier post of mine and I don't normally have that much trouble being clear so you'd probably be doing yourself a favour if you tried reading my last post again and, instead of putting words in my mouth, asking me to clairfy what you don't understand.
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I didn't misunderstand the original post at all. The distinction between claiming they created the environment which allowed the protests to happen and they caused the protest is not great, your still tagging them with some responsibly for the riots. That the civil liberties they fight for allowed it to happen.
Now the quaint and affluent streets of London are under threat, I wonder if the left leaning, namby-pamby lawyers, judges, politicians, journalists, activists and other apologists who live in them are focussing their minds on what they've allowed to happen and the vigilantism that is inevitably starting to surface?
This would have happened anyway. There were riots many times before in London, long before the police had more restrictions placed on them. This one is especially odd because it's just sheer criminality. It's not the fault of tax cuts, youth centre closures, someone being shot or increased human rights. We have seen from the many protests previously then the police do 'go in' but given the mass scale of this and the sporadic and uncontrollable nature of the outbursts they are trying different approaches.
Everyone has a different theory into the cause of these riots and they seem to be something that fits into their political viewpoint. It's Labour's fault because they eroded respect, it's the Conservatives' fault because they cut Police numbers/youth centres, it's Capitalism's fault for creating a rich/poor divide or it's Socialism's fault for creating a sense of entitlement.
The truth is we do not know. I suspect there is no logic or reason. A smaller riot after a Policeman shot a suspect took on a different tone as a copycat riot took place in Enfield and then young people from other regions took to that in order to 'have fun' and steal.
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What's Ms Chakrabati's answer to this do you think? What does she suggest the police do? She's normally so vocal when the police have supposedly done wrong......
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They are a pressure group for civil liberties. They speak out on civil liberties. Their role is not to be balanced to defend the police. It's not hypocritical for them to take that position.