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Originally Posted by Damien
It's not civil liberties that is allowing them to riot, it's the numbers making it difficult to get a hold on them. They are still breaking the law. We shouldn't use incidents like this to restrict our freedoms. I really doubt they are feeling uneasy about civil liberties considering all of us take advantage of them on a daily basis.
Such a cheap shot. Just because you believe in civil liberties or your 'left leaning' doesn't mean you approve of riots or 'allowed it to happen'  |
Have I argued for NO civil liberties? Have I said it's black and white? All or nothing? Did I say these people condoned rioting? That's rather a pathetic response and a very cheap shot of your own if I may say so. What these people have allowed to happen is not the riots, but the gradual taking away of the police's ability to act to defend the majority and the erosion of the respect with which they should be regarded. It's that which has allowed the riots to happen and I trust that's clear enough for you now. It seems you 'misunderstood' an earlier post of mine and I don't normally have that much trouble being clear so you'd probably be doing yourself a favour if you tried reading my last post again and, instead of putting words in my mouth, asking me to clairfy what you don't understand.
In my experience the vast majority of people arguing the Chakrabti line are left inclined. Just to be clear, that's not the same as saying they all are or that people of different political views can't be likewise. Neither is it the same as saying that all civil liberties aren't important or valuable. In an ideal world we should/would all have perfect civil liberties but when our freedoms start to be abused on a mass and organised scale like this I'm afraid the real world has to take over and certain civil liberties have to be suspended. Nobody likes that but the writing's been on the wall and the sight of our our burning towns and emasculated police being abused/attacked/provoked to their faces are the best possible evidence that things have gone too far.
What's Ms Chakrabati's answer to this do you think? What does she suggest the police do? She's normally so vocal when the police have supposedly done wrong......