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Originally Posted by Sparkle
Its not pseudo-intellectual, its simple truth. The fact that you cannot see it, actually says more about you than I ever could.
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Yes. It says I think you are wrong. I am quite happy with that.
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You think it's fair to send a kid to prison for 16 months for chucking a bin at a stationary vehicle?
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And a game of football is just 22 men chasing a plastic sphere round a field.
Criticising - or defending - something by attempting to strip it of its meaning and context is an extremely poor way of making a point. I think I'll let the ample postings of what Gilmour actually did, and the context in which he did them, stand as refutation of this.
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I find that utterly shocking, how anyone could be living in our society, apparently living among us and yet can demonstrate such an appaulingly cruel lack of judgement is simply beyond me.
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All this shows is a bizarre and rather extreme inability to understand, or tolerate, views that happen to differ from yours.
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We have rapists and paedos getting less than 16 months
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If you believe the penalties for sex crimes to be too lenient, surely the appropriate course of action is to campaign in that area? It has nothing to do with the penalties imposed for offences related to rioting.
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and you think it's fair to completely ruin this kids life because he got caught up in the moment? If you head out into just about any city centre near pub closing time, you're bound to see worse than a bin getting chucked.
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Again, what Gilmour *actually* did has been exhaustively catalogued in this thread - including the part where he went equipped for mischief with a mask and rubber gloves, the better to avoid detection by CCTV or fingerprints. Getting "caught up in the moment" might be how you need to see it in order for events to suit your world view, but the facts say the way you see it is nothing more than self-delusion.
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The judge decided to make an example of Mr. Gilmour, to send a clear message to others, not because of what he did.
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. No, it was for what he did, plus a consideration for the deterrent effect. A long-standing and perfectly normal part of our criminal justice system. If Gilmour didn't want to be made an example of, then he was perfectly at liberty to choose not to go a-rioting.
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Were you lot ever young? Have you never gone a bit mad and did something you later regretted? I bet you have, just as well for you there wasn't a camera there to record it, eh? Or is it one rule for yourselves, and another for students I wonder?
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Yes. I and some mates once dressed up as CI5 and went screaming into a deserted station car park (due to a rail strike) in an Austin Mini. We jumped out with water pistols and ran over e footbridge while another of us videoed it, so we could make our own retro cop show. We were spotted, reported to the police and an ARU was deployed. Thankfully the local plod caught us before the heavy mob did. We got an *extremely* loud talking to, had our water pistols smashed with a night stick and then were made to clean up the bits. The copper who did this probably broke every human rights rule in tbe book, but it's a lesson none of us ever forgot.
Gilmour is also receiving a lesson - one appropriate to the context of his actions.
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"Judge not, lest ye be not judged."
The measure of your judgement upon others will be the measure by which you will one day be judged.
And if not, then it bl**dy well should be !
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I will be very surprised if you have the first idea what these words mean and how they should be applied.