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Originally Posted by Hugh

that's a fairly major insinuation there by yourself - can you provide any examples of this, please?

Sorry, was in a rush and didn't proof read properly. That should read something like:

VM staff/CF members insinuating it's own customers/other members are lying is quite another.

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher

Reminds me of the last time I ventured into Curry's looking for a coffee maker. I asked a sales assistant for advice regarding a particular model to which he gave the stock reply "My Mum's got one and she thinks it's OK!"

Ha! There's dozens of those stock phrases, isn't there? My favourite is when I went to buy some guitar strings and they didn't have the brand I wanted so offered me another one, with the old "made in the same factory mate" excuse. My reply was "Yes, they also make the Telecaster and the Stratocaster in the same factory, but that doesn't make it the same effing guitar does it?"

Originally Posted by Stuart

Actually, it's about 4 or 5 people (not sure of the exact numbers, but it's only a few) who are going into a lot of the threads attacking the Superhub. That's not evidence of a poor device at all.

Semantics eh? Wonderful thing(s).

Another way to look at it would be there are half a dozen people eloquently and thoroughly describing the flaws in the product in great detail, and many dozens of others shooting the odd piece of dialogue into the proceedings, often agreeing with the standpoint of it being an inferior product, but not being visible enough to qualify as "the usual suspects".

Like I said, semantics. Selective interpretation.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

But if the router is fronting a whole load of devices, it's right to be able to rely on the router's firewall functions.

As someone who has a bunch of games consoles on the network, this is exactly the case. There needs to be at least a half-decent hardware SPI firewall on the home router, or IMO it doesn't count as a fully-fledged router (there are other conditions too but here isn't the place to debate my definition in thousand-word detail).

Originally Posted by Masque

Are you making this up as you go along, as that is what this seems to me and anyone else reading this

Take this comment and apply it to the quote that inspired my comment in the first place, and reference that with me pointing out more than once that you tend to mix facts with your own speculation and have admitted to such even once. When I speculate (and I'm not alone) I will always try to use a qualifier prefix phrase like "I'm guessing that" or "Based on what I've seen" to distinguish it as my opinion, not a fact.

Originally Posted by TJS

I have easily transfered a 12 GB Itunes library (compressed as a zip so 1 file) over wifi; the signal is fine; the intrernet hits 49 / 4.7 mbs no matter what time i test; and it doesn't restart or cut off. which is far more then can be said about the BT homehub

That is incredibly interesting... a 12GB zip file. Was that from one wireless device to another, or a wired to a wireless? If it was the latter, what was the respective speed for each? I'm trying to validate my "bad batch" theory, and if you're able to get a big file across from gigabit LAN to 300Mbps N WLAN or vice versa then it adds weight to it. What I mean is, you might have got a good one and me a bad one for example.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Of course, when in doubt, resort to insults - effective debating technique.

I'd say "head in the sand" is a mild derogatory remark at best, barely an insult at all. Considering the frustration implied by Seph's post I'd say he'd being remarkably restrained.

Originally Posted by Stuart

3) How do you know people aren't merely registering on multiple forums and posting the same things? It does frequently happen.

You could also assume people are creating sock puppets on this forum, too. This is kinda what I mean about CF members subtly insinuating other CF members are warping the truth or what have you.[COLOR="Silver"]

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I think the biggest insult here is superhub detractors being painted as people who just like the act of moaning and will find fault with anything VM say or do when this is somewhere between a gross over-simplification and sweeping, inaccurate generalisation.

It seems none of the pro-superhub camp, or those just trying to "keep the peace", consider that people care about other people getting a top service from their broadband connection yet based on their own experiences and those of others fear that this is not the case, and that less technically-minded people are having problems but don't have a clue why, or know how they can solve them.

This is ironic considering the superhub was rolled out to prevent exactly this kind of thing. It was supposed to be a "set and forget" device, not one that has to be rebooted all the time as has been the experience of many users whose traffic (LAN or WAN) has been above average. Or even in some rare cases when it's below average.

You'll notice, for example, that despite the fact I have a brand new VMNG300 modem I've continued to vicariously deride the superhub. My problem is solved, yes, but this has not been the case for everyone, and if dwindling supplies of the previous flagship modem are to be believed some people are either going to have to downgrade to get an Ambit 256 (excellent CPE although dated now), lump it or leave VM for one of it's lacklustre competitors.

The way I see it I want everyone to have the same outstanding service that I do, and consider it an insult to be labelled as a miscreant.

How's that for a lucid, verbose manifesto?