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Chrysalis · 06-05-2011, 14:39

Chris you are niave sorry to say.

How does a referendum which has no PR option prove that people dont want PR?

The lib dems had a 3rd of the seats they would have got under a fair voting system, that is a fact. You can merry gand round this all you want, likewise independents also faired poorly in terms of seats to votes. You simply cannot understand the concept that votes are locking into per area but bring a party into national power. There is nothing fair about disregarding millions of votes that can manipulate the result of who runs the country, this is about more than electing someone to represet in parliament as it decides which party runs the country.

eg.

Area A has 120k votes cast for party A and 20k votes cast for PArty B, Party A gets one seat for 120k votes.
Area B has 19k votes for Party B and 18k votes for party A, Party B gets the seat.

In this example the 19k voters in Area B have a bigger voting power than the 20k voters in Area A. the 99k or so voters in Area A are votes essentially thrown away as majority already achieved and has no account on other seats. It is quite possible for a party to get in power under FPTP with less votes than a losing party.

Leaflets allow people to lie and not be questioned back about those lies, and they cost money, that money has to come from rich individuals or in labours case unions, these people then have too much influence over govenrment policy should that party win, and you want that?

06-05-2011, 14:39	#99
Chrysalis cf.mega poster Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 12,048	Re: To AV, or not to AV? Chris you are niave sorry to say. How does a referendum which has no PR option prove that people dont want PR? The lib dems had a 3rd of the seats they would have got under a fair voting system, that is a fact. You can merry gand round this all you want, likewise independents also faired poorly in terms of seats to votes. You simply cannot understand the concept that votes are locking into per area but bring a party into national power. There is nothing fair about disregarding millions of votes that can manipulate the result of who runs the country, this is about more than electing someone to represet in parliament as it decides which party runs the country. eg. Area A has 120k votes cast for party A and 20k votes cast for PArty B, Party A gets one seat for 120k votes. Area B has 19k votes for Party B and 18k votes for party A, Party B gets the seat. In this example the 19k voters in Area B have a bigger voting power than the 20k voters in Area A. the 99k or so voters in Area A are votes essentially thrown away as majority already achieved and has no account on other seats. It is quite possible for a party to get in power under FPTP with less votes than a losing party. Leaflets allow people to lie and not be questioned back about those lies, and they cost money, that money has to come from rich individuals or in labours case unions, these people then have too much influence over govenrment policy should that party win, and you want that?