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Old 05-05-2011, 18:03   #61
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Re: To AV, or not to AV?

Re. "AV is too complicated / AV is too confusing"...

[Partially pinching from my own post in the original thread]

Although the UK only uses FPTP for electing MPs, it is not the only electoral system used in this country.

N. Ireland uses STV for local, European, and Assembly elections. Scotland uses STV for local elections. The Scottish Parliament, Welsh Assembly, and Greater London Assembly use AMS. Great Britain uses the Party List system for European elections.

Those are all more complicated than FPTP. If people across the UK can handle those various systems, surely they could handle AV?

How hard would it be to explain how to vote in an AV-based General Election? How complicated or confusing would it be?

You just rank the candidates in order of preference, until you have no preferences left. If you only want to rank one, you can. If you want to rank three, you can. If you want to rank them all, you can. Surely people can understand that?

OK, there's more to it than "Put an 'X' next to the candidate you want. You may only vote for one candidate", but it's hardly complicated, though, and there'd be voter education if it went ahead.

What's wrong with e.g. ...

"Put a "1" next to your first choice candidate, a "2" next to your second choice candidate, and so on. You may vote for as many candidates as you wish, from just one candidate only through to all [six] candidates."

Is that really too complicated for the British voting public? Are they really too stupid to understand something as simple as that?

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Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
tbf, the "Yes" campaign have sometimes been a little flexible with the facts, re "The Tories elect their leader under AV".....

Neither side have covered themselves in glory, imho.
True. I don't think anything the "Yes" campaign has claimed has been anywhere near as bad as the some of the stuff the "No" campaign has come out with, however, plus at least they haven't used emotive scaremongering either.

Has the "Yes" campaign actually said the Tories use AV, rather than just say that they don't use FPTP?

The ERS only says that Labour & the Lib Dems use AV, while all I can find on the "Yes" website is "Political parties use it to elect their leaders".

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Originally Posted by Stephen View Post
I'm voting No for the reason that it should be one person one vote.

Pick the candidate you want to vote for and not a few others you might like just in case.
AV is still "one person one vote".

http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/article.php?id=55

http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/d...0FAQ%20web.pdf

http://www.yestofairervotes.org/pages/av-myths


And if you don't have any preferences other than your number 1 choice, you simply do not mark any candidates other than that one.
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