[Sirius]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

It may reduce the overall total amount you can download but that does negate the "unlimited" tag.

VM's services are unlimited in that the amount you can download does not stop dead nor cost you any more when you reach a certain amount.

Surely it's not that difficult to understand

Please don't start this old boring argument up again.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I believe this is a debate Mr Waring has had on newsgroups, Digital Spy, etc, with the usual pointless and circular arguments from both sides of the spectrum.

Let's not have that in this thread, it's discussing P2P shaping not STM, DUP, how unlimited or otherwise things are. That is a subject that has been done to death then resurrected and done to death again.

VM's services are unlimited according to the Ofcom / ASA definitions. They are not unlimited from the point of view of offering 'up to' a data rate and allowing unlimited usage at that data rate due to STM / DUP.

They're close enough to unlimited that the regulator is happy, the only genuinely unlimited provider in the market is Sky's LLU product, with Be Unlimited to all intents and purposes unlimited but with provisions within FUP to sanction heavy users.

There, debate over, back to P2P.