yeah i think it will be the battery connector on the board because like i said in my 1st post even when the battery itself is taken out and i connect the ipod to the USB lead and laptop i still get the "please wait very low battery" message and that is when there is no battery in it at all but saying that i could be getting the apple logo sad face because of the battery problem. I did charge it all night that didn't work either i might as well sell it on Ebay as faulty thanks anyway people