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Originally Posted by martyh
I disagree ,i don't think it is a semantic one at all i think it is a correct description of estates that are used by LA's to keep all the undesirables of society in one area as much as possible.You have to realise that welfare fraud is only part of the problem .Quite a lot of long term claimants know the system better than the people working in the department and know all the tricks of getting as much out of the system as possible ,not fraud just in depth knowledge .I have ,in the course of my work ,heard people having conversations along the lines of "betty down the road gets x amount from the nash and she says that if i tell the nash y then i will get it as well", word gets around and before long everyone in that circle of friends is getting X just like betty creating a ghetto of people unwilling to give their lifestyle .Getting people like these off the system is going to be just as hard as stopping people getting on it in the first place imo
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When I applied for DLA I was initially refused. During the appeal process I turned to an advisor that helped me give the correct responses to be awarded the benefit, it wasn't fraud but one has to know how to respond to the DWP or people with legitimate claims get turned down. Hearing people giving each other advise on how to fill out claims for benefits doesn't necessarily mean there's fraud.
The budget of the DWP is about £130bn (last time i checked) and fraud counted for about £1.6bn of that. It's a problem yes, but it's not prolific.
We've also got to bear in mind that once you've been unemployed for a while it gets a lot harder to get back into work. Employers are very picky and the job market is currently going to be expanding due to thousands of redundant government employees hitting the jobs market looking for work, that's going to make it even harder to long term unemployed to get a job.
Some people are just plain, unemployable. I'd rather risk someone getting welfare that doesn't need it than someone who does not getting it.