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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
I lost respect for this lot when they started cutting taxes whilst claiming there was no way round the cuts. cLearly there is more money available than is been made out.
The tories have a history of false ideals, the biggest one been that they overate the private sector too much.
What do you mean by robbed? I hope you not one of those who consider taxation stealing.
Also you gave no explanation as to how reducing spending and creating unemployment is a fuel for growth.
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There is no more revenue available for anything - unless you hadn't noticed we're existing on borrowing and that expenditure which isn't covered by income from taxation etc. is all going on the tab.
Gordon Brown raided the pension funds of those who'd scrimped and saved to make provision for their own future as opposed to relying on the state. Yes, I consider that akin to robbery.
When Labour came to power we had all that guff about stimulating the economy and invention, rebuilding manufacturing, stimulating enterprise etc. What Labour actually did was tax, spend, borrow and increase regualtion and bureacracy. They created a false boom based on borrowing and relying in large part for revenue from the city whose activities they conveniently overlooked for so long. Where did that get us exactly? Oh yes.. the mess we're in now!
I gather that in your world there's no such thing as waste or any job which is superfluous. No scope for cutting out dead wood at all. Everything's running at 100% efficiency with no scope for improvement. Cutting non-productive jobs and trying to create the conditions in which business can thrive is the best we can do and there are going to be people who suffer for no fault of their own. Inevitably there'll also be large numbers of job losses which nobody
wants to see but that's the reality of spending more than we can afford and Gordon Brown should've thought more about that when he was in power. By doing these things hopefully we can maintain more of the essential jobs we all rely on and find alternative work for those who've lost out.
Being in denial about the size of our problems and what has to be done may make people feel better but simply delays the day of reckoning and magnifies the problems we face. You speak as if HMG has a choice, can dictate our credit rating, can ignore international opinion, can force people to lend more and more money to us in order to carry on spending we clearly can't afford. The stark reality is that the UK is increasingly at the mercy of international financiers and they can do to us what they're doing to Ireland, Greece and Portugal. You can argue about that as much as you like but they hold all the cards and call the shots. They dictate how much our borrowing costs and therefore how much money is available to spend on services.
We already spend the equivalent of our entire education budget on interest payments alone. That simply cannot continue and delaying getting to grips with our borrowing only compounds the problem and will prolong the sufferring.
If you think things are tough here, take a trip over to the 'Celtic Tiger'. It's not a mean spirited Tory govt which is forcing the huge cuts through there is it? The people and politicians there bought into the idea that they could spend, spend, spend and thereby create jobs based on borrowing but look what's happened. It's out of their hands now. They can bleat as much as they like but they just have to accept the rules of those who're bailing them out. Yes they created loads of jobs and fancy housing estates. Jobs which are now long gone in large part and housing estates which are lying empty like ghost towns. This is the real world and I don't want it to happen to us.