[Anonymouse]

<slightly OT>There's a roundabout near my dad's place...it's on a bus route. The turn is so tight there is no way the bus can negotiate it without going over the roundabout. Which planning genius did that?</slightly OT>

I noticed this 'full pedestrian' thing years ago, and it's always annoyed me. The buttons for pedestrians are just a sop to them, to give them the illusion that they exert a measure of control over the lights (if, that is, they don't know the damn things will change regardless) - and it's a dangerous illusion. The problem as far as I can see is that usually the drivers do know the traffic light patterns, but the pedestrians do not. The pedestrians, therefore, are expecting the lights to behave as if they are a true pedestrian crossing, i.e. change on demand - and they're not.

How many people are injured or killed as a result, I wonder?

Also, why bother wasting public money on the buttons if they don't actually do anything?!