[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

There you go. His brother doesn't look too happy with the situation behind him.

Yes I see, that appears though, it was quite sometime before the incident in which he was dragged across the road.

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Originally Posted by martyh

we don't know do we ,because the video evidence that you are relying on doesn't show it ,it is possible that the officer attempted to wheel him away but because Mr wheel chair was (maybe)being so uncooperative the chair tipped on the curb ....or maybe Mr wheelchair has tipped it up himself to put the police in a bad light ...and maybe the second officer seen dragging the first officer away was doing so to protect his coleague because he knew that they where being set up

That is certainly a plausible course of events, but what puzzles me is why the officer had to drag the man. Surely, a better course of action would be to carry him, reducing the risk of any further injury, or wait for assistance from another officer; there were quite a few around. Then there is when he rushed back to man on the floor and had to be dragged away by another officer. His demeanour didn't appear as though his re-approach was going to be very benevolent.

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Originally Posted by Masque

I am happy for our police to allowed to control the thugs with whatever means are at their disposal be it water cannon or baton rounds or preferably a mixture of the two.

The mistake has been all along allowing them into areas of power such as Whitehall where they have shown total disrespect to the government buildings, statues and the Cenotaph, a good soaking with a water cannon would have stopped any disruption in its tracks.

Any future demonstrations must not be allowed to enter Whitehall under any circumstances whatsoever and if required to prevent that happening the Army should be mobilised.

No other country would allow such behaviour in their hub of government and up to now our thugs have been handled with kid gloves in comparison to any other country.

As for bringing Chile into this I do not actually care what their police force do as it is not in my Capital City.

And this is the point, what happens when it goes beyond dealing with violent protest, to suppressing all protest? I am not supporting those who have unnecessarily caused disorder, I find their approach to be illogical and counterproductive, but we cannot lump all the protesters in with them. Which the press seems to be trying to achieve and by the looks of it, with some level of success.

I would have thought that you would support protest right at the seat of government. Isn't that what so many were calling for when it was causes which affected them. If our government were to shut themselves away in fortress Westminster, how would they get to hear the people? How would the people express their disquiet of the very people who are supposed to listen?

As far as other countries are concerned, I think you may be generalising a little too much. The USA, for example, have recently seen the "tea party" demonstrators march on their capital. The Republic of Ireland has just witnessed demonstrations on The Dail, they were able to get right up to the gates. Of course conversely, the ones who don't allow protests in front of government, tend to be countries who don't allow that sort of thing at all; I am pretty sure no one wants that.

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Originally Posted by Cobbydaler

It's Flyboy's plan to suck all the Police in the UK into posting in this thread.

Then there will be none of them out and about to prevent the 'non-violence' during the 'peaceful' protests....

Hey, now there's an idea.

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Originally Posted by martyh

Anyhoo ,if Mr wheel chair is such a helpless character then why is he placed in the firing line , as in nomads piccy , in that one he's in front of a pack of baying animals armed with sticks,bars and god knows what else ,

nice place to put you're crippled brother i don't think

That as maybe the case, but it appears to be a separate incident to the one shown on the video. I can't see how that one would justify the other.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

I did and I can't discern anything in the video.It's not very clear and in fact is very bad as a source of evidence.

Whilst I agree that the start of the incident is not all that clear (perhaps we will see some more footage emerge, like in the Tomlinson case, that will support it either way), the man was certainly dragged across the road. What I am not so sure about, is that standard operating procedure when transporting disabled demonstrators.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

He was in the middle of a road and it can clearly be seen, that he was being wheeled in the wheelchair at first. How he came out of the wheelchair is obscured.

Hmm, it looked to me as though he was on the pavement on the other side of the road.

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Originally Posted by Osem

Ah but you're missing the obvious! The reason the footage is obscured is that GCHQ, MI5 and everyone else have conspired to cover up a terrible, savage and totally unprovoked attack by police officers on a helpless disabled person who was simply minding his own business....

It sounds as though you are trying say that the police have never beat anyone up before.