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Ignitionnet · 12-11-2010, 22:21

All very true Chrysalis, the issue being far too much creation of money causing far too much inflation.

The state is 53% of the economy, an insane amount, and even with the so called cuts it'll still be big.

Stripping these cuts down they aren't reduction of spending, they aren't even reductions in real terms they are nothing more than slowing the increase in spending and hoping that the economy grows its' way out of debt.

If we cut through the bodged figures and include unfunded liabilities, PPI, etc, the numbers are truly horrifying. People complain about the effect of cuts to students yet these same students appear to have no concept that we're mortgaging the following generations to pay our bills, our pensions, our welfare right now.

I find it morally reprehensible that we have the nerve to complain about cuts to our services while being able to easily turn a blind eye to who will be paying for them. Britain got addicted to the state in the post war period and it's become so engrained that promising the state will look after people from cradle to grave is a massive vote winner simply because many of those who will pick up the tab can't vote.

We seriously need to start paying our own bills and living within our own means so that the state can stop taxing the life out of us and replacing productive activity with non-productive activity. Look at all the money thrown at poorer areas where the state is a huge part of their economies, they are no better off, indeed there's a strong argument that the state employing so many crowds out the private sector.

Every state job costs the private sector in taxation, taxes lead to lower employment within the private sector. The state has a monopolies and mergers commission yet has its' own monopolies on health and other things. The overwhelming majority of the public sector are not delivering front line services, but are those in the offices who will ensure their jobs are safe while firing those that do.

We should be ashamed, the problem is all too many of us don't care and politicians know that spending money wins votes. Asking people to pay their own bills doesn't tend to resonate too well with voters, not too well at all, and it's those same voters who couldn't care less so long as their welfare is in the post, their bins emptied weekly.

12-11-2010, 22:21	#7
Ignitionnet Inactive Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Age: 48 Posts: 13,995	Re: Britain's Trillion Pound Horror All very true Chrysalis, the issue being far too much creation of money causing far too much inflation. The state is 53% of the economy, an insane amount, and even with the so called cuts it'll still be big. Stripping these cuts down they aren't reduction of spending, they aren't even reductions in real terms they are nothing more than slowing the increase in spending and hoping that the economy grows its' way out of debt. If we cut through the bodged figures and include unfunded liabilities, PPI, etc, the numbers are truly horrifying. People complain about the effect of cuts to students yet these same students appear to have no concept that we're mortgaging the following generations to pay our bills, our pensions, our welfare right now. I find it morally reprehensible that we have the nerve to complain about cuts to our services while being able to easily turn a blind eye to who will be paying for them. Britain got addicted to the state in the post war period and it's become so engrained that promising the state will look after people from cradle to grave is a massive vote winner simply because many of those who will pick up the tab can't vote. We seriously need to start paying our own bills and living within our own means so that the state can stop taxing the life out of us and replacing productive activity with non-productive activity. Look at all the money thrown at poorer areas where the state is a huge part of their economies, they are no better off, indeed there's a strong argument that the state employing so many crowds out the private sector. Every state job costs the private sector in taxation, taxes lead to lower employment within the private sector. The state has a monopolies and mergers commission yet has its' own monopolies on health and other things. The overwhelming majority of the public sector are not delivering front line services, but are those in the offices who will ensure their jobs are safe while firing those that do. We should be ashamed, the problem is all too many of us don't care and politicians know that spending money wins votes. Asking people to pay their own bills doesn't tend to resonate too well with voters, not too well at all, and it's those same voters who couldn't care less so long as their welfare is in the post, their bins emptied weekly.