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Originally Posted by MTJR
So are you saying the fraudsters and workshy don't exist? I think reports that exist in all types of media have proved that not to be the case.
I'm now not sure from what you say whether you are posting based on fact or your interpretation of the "plans" you mentioned. I'm not even sure which bit you're talking about. Either the part where people are being marked fit for work when they're not or the part about getting people back into work which, for me, are totally seperate issues.
I'd really like to take what you say on board but it's getting incredibly difficult to do so.
John
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I am not saying they dont exist, but I am saying they not the majority of claimants. Thats my opinion tho, whilst the media have also stated an opinion (not a fact).
The only thing proven is there is 'some' fraudsters. However the media have a vested interest in this, they are clearly putting time and effort into looking for extreme cases. The bbc also done numerous tv documentaries on it, and the only documentary they did on claimants been treated badly was only aired in scotland and not england.
End of the day its propoganda and people are sheep, the media can choose to pick on any part of society at any given moment and they will be believed.
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Originally Posted by Maggy J
But that's not necessarily suppression of a story.. 
Anyway I think that this really is beside the point.There is no real prof that the sick and incapable are to be targeted in this proposal.The present government aren't stupid and won't want to risk the idea being undermined by someone dying whilst picking up litter because they weren't really fit to work.  |
The bbc printed a story where david freud (when working for labour) got interviewed and started talking about the changes the government was planning such as not using GP's to carry out medicals and the private sector doing work focused interviews.
not sure if this is the exact story.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7223687.stm
There is 3 key problems I had with the story I asked the bbc about.
1 - David Freud didnt back up any of his statements with proof (fewer than 1/3rd legit claimants).
2 - David Freud according to his boss, was not employed by the government which means he was not allowed to talk to the press about government policy.
3 - Some of what was published was clearly innacurate such as the GP's handling medicals which would clearly mislead the public, atos origin were already doing medicals for years when this was published.
The bbc refused to take the story down as you can see its still there.
This guy is behind much of whats happening, he moved to the tories when it was clear labour werent going to win the next election so he could carry on pushing through his plans, he is an ex banker, so quite what his skills are that apply to welfare I dont know.