RizzyKing

Show me where i have said george bush is reliable or that i believe what he says on this matter i merely stated he had started a debate on the issue and i also said he wasn't the person to start such a debate. Secondly what do you expect anyone in an official position to say "oh damn ok hands up in certain cases we use extreme interrogation methods" come on everyone denies doing it.

Detainees complaining of being mistreated and everyone inside a prison is innocent it wasn't them guv honest. Even though i am sure there was mistreatment the scale of it right now is not known and until it is and the extent in terms of staff at that facility involved is also clear i don't think bringing it into this debate is constructive

I have said this goes on anyone with a brain knows it does they might not like admitting it is being done, hell they might not even like it being done but in some part of most people's brains they know it happens and they know why it happens. Also there is a difference between field interrogations and intelligence interrogations those in basra falling firmly into the field area.

Look personally i could happily live in a world where things like this never happened, where no one planned mass murder and killing of innocent civilians and we all got along accepting each other for who and what we are. But lovely as that would be it isn't going to happen anytime soon and harsher realities will continue until such time as humanity can evolve or we wipe ourselves out.