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Originally Posted by martyh
so how would you tackle workshy claimants ,or long term unemployed .Since both you and MR A have poo pooed the idea i would think you have a better solution ,or is it just a case of the government suggested so lets slag it off
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first I would ignore all the propoganda that makes it seem worse than it is. Then I would either write it off as a unsolvable problem or increase the gap from the dole and paid work by making housing benefit more generous when working full time.
I would likely cut back on child related benefits.
The ultimate way to fix long term unemployment is to reduce competition in the job market, increase the number of jobs to the unemployed. So less immigration, less outsourcing, give companies incentives to locate in poorer areas outside of south east and london areas. I would make tax evasion a more serious concern and look at tax avoidance, I would shift tax income from consumption taxes towards income taxes, increase income taxes, give focused health care to people on incapacity benefit, create public sector jobs for people who have partial ability to work, greatly increase regulation in banking, regulate the housing market, I wouldnt pretend the long term unemployed are the countries biggest problem and have it in the news every week.
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Originally Posted by martyh
#3 isnt ridicolous but does show you dont really care of the consequences as it isnt you right.
#1 manual labour quoted numerous times.
#2 you can imagine what you want.
and no its just £65, if they refuse to do it, they lose the £65 but dont lose the rest.
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I take it you have inside information then ,because the government haven't released the details yet ,what most people are commenting on is newspaper speculation and hype ...hense all the hysteria
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no I just read news reports properly and research.
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Originally Posted by Osem
I really can't see this being aimed at the genuinely sick or disabled. I can see it being aimed at those who'd rather not work if they can avoid it. Whether or not it's workable in practice is another thing however.
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This is aimed at exactly them.
What this doesnt tell you?
1 - currently we have a new biased work capability aseessment pushing ill people on to job seekers allowance or rather work part of ESA.
2 - very soon starting 2011 every incapacity benefit will start been reassessed on this new assessment and a big chunk of them will be pushed onto the work related ESA (dole), so basically we will have long term sick classed as long term dole claimants.
3 - these people are the least likely to find work so are the most likely who will be affected by this.
If you think the new work capability assessment is accurate and fair then you have too much faith in government.