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Originally Posted by Kymmy
I wonder how many of those having a moan about benefits/pensions would soon change their tune if we had an american system and they suddenly found through no fault of their own that they'd lost their job and couldn't get another???
I'd rather have that back-up even if I never had to use it and for others to have the same backup equal to my own even at pension age...
You know what they say if you don't like it then go elsewhere as moaning on a forum is only gonna do one thing  |
it would be a mixed bag as shown in the us.
job takeup would probably be a 'bit' higher since a minority dont work due to lazyness. But the reality is we would have more people on the streets as they would go from having minimal support to nothing.
if we shouldnt moan on the forum then why even have this section?
I find forums an excellent way of knowing what others think and why they disagree with me on stuff.
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Originally Posted by Hugh
One small flaw in your otherwise reasoned argument - the premise that "they then go on contribution based incapacity benefit (or ESA now days) and having paid 17 years worth of NI now claiming back due to ill health, they be considered **** and undeserving".
Please don't believe what the red-top rags print - it's not the view (imho) of the majority of the country, the red-tops would just like to think it is (and try to make it so).
Nearly everyone I know has no issues with genuine Incapacity Benefits/ESA claimants, but it is the likes of the Mail/Sun/etc who try to tar all claimants with the same brush that leads to your feelings, I believe.
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Most people seem to believe tho the recent changes are to genuinly only kick off fraudsters and legit claimants will still be able to claim fine, not the case tho. So they are falling for what the media says. Also to mention the IB rate dropped on ESA and no media batted an eyelid.
Likewise the daily mail probably spent 100s of hours looking for one of a very few housing benefit claimants who gets silly money so they can print the story and suddenly people think its a problem thats rampant. The same paper then will print stories that they feel sorry penioners dont get enough money. I think the daily mail is the worse of them all.