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Originally Posted by RizzyKing
Thing is Daniel not all of us claimants get anywhere near that amount and i would bet the majority do not even come close. Yes there are people getting that but they are a minority and not representative of claimants as a whole. Sadly there is little political leverage in making the true facts available and it is far better to highlight the blatent excesses rather then the reality that many live with day to day. Just totalled ours up including housing benefit we get £12,452 a year which is good for a benefit system but not as extravagent as some would like the working population to believe.
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I would hope the working population aren't naive enough to think that although many are regrettably.
Welfare bills are too high because of two things, too many people on it (function of the economy and of idle-itis) and the outliers you mention.
What you receive isn't good. It is, I hope, adequate to keep you running until you are either able to leave the welfare system or to keep you going if you are unable to leave the welfare system.
Most of the talk has to, necessarily, be about getting rid of the outliers and disincentivising idle-itis simply because that's where a lot of the action has to be. Along with that giving the appropriate conditions for economic growth to reduce the other contributor and all is good.
Or would be, but it has to be done within the context of massive structural budget deficits.
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Originally Posted by danielf
Yes, and we probably disagree on what the minimum standard should be. Paying people the equivalent of the average wage before tax just isn't on though.
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Actually read my post above, I suspect we don't disagree as much as you think. Certainly the average wage after tax is unacceptable, thankfully this is a small minority largely feeding unscrupulous landlords with housing benefit. Get rid of that minority and the rents have to go down to market rate which helps out with scarcity of housing. Win:win.