Discipline is a method of control using a mode of punishment as an incentive. The statement by Gove has very little to do with punishment.
What rubbish!Of course punishment and restraint go hand in hand along with rewards
I have not directed any post towards you relating to the Daily Heil. If you have misunderstood any of my remarks about that publication, then I apologise.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35103379-post14.html
your own post.
No, otherwise I would have not asked the question. As I have mentioned earlier, the definition of discipline is about control, incentivised by punishment on non-compliance. That punishment can range from sanctions and prohibitions, to physical punishment. Perhaps you would like to be clear on what you consider physical discipline to mean.
Everyone has already told you and Gove already put it as succinctly as anyone can.You are just using your usual method of pretending not to understand because it doesn't fit your own particular ideology.Plus What punishments are available to teachers that work.I already pointed out that which is available don't work
People like me? What have I proposed that is done in schools that would hold me up as ruining education and the status of teachers? All I have done is tried to dispel the myths what too many people believe occur in every school in the country. There are no laws banning teachers from restraining children if they are a danger to themselves or others. There are no laws banning teachers consoling children if they are upset. I have not mentioned anything about child protection, nor have I written anything about classroom discipline. I have always supported teachers who have had to use reasonable force to remove disruptive children from classrooms. There are, however, lines that should not be crossed, but that is a subject for a different thread.
Now you understand about restraining children physically..
Besides which you have completely missed the point AGAIN.It's about making such rulings much ,much clearer to ALL including pupils and parents and Head teachers and simplfying what is allowed and what is not allowed
In any thread on these boards, which criticises teachers (and there have been many), I have always supported and promoted their perspective. Perhaps you have forgotten that I am actually a qualified SSA with, although fewer years service than you and part-time, about five years practical classroom experience, (although most of those years have been spent in a primary school), I have had limited experience, through training placements etc., in secondary schools. The work I do can and has been on many occasions, very challenging. To the extent where I have had to restrain or remove children in several instances. The first school I worked in was on a very rough estate. About fifty per cent of the children there were on statements and another twenty per cent on school action plus. There was an EBD unit on site and as it only had fifteen permanent places, it was constantly full, to the extent where the rest of those with EBD issues, were left to their own devices and the teachers were at their mercies.
Then why are you so nit picky about this issue if you truly understand what it is all about.To be honest if you are truly what you say you are you wouldn't be picking holes in the statement made by Gove or in my comments because you would just KNOW how teachers have been cowed and placed in a situation where the minority of badly behaved children rule the roost and staff are left unsupported and believing that they cannot restrain children because they are ordered by the head teacher not to physically handle pupils.
Seems to me you just haven't read or understood the article.
I have not discussed classroom discipline on this thread, so I really don't understand why you are referring to it here. This thread is about Gove's rather strange intentions to create something which already exists. It has appeared as though he is just using the subject as a smoke screen, to avoid addressing more important issues, such as school closures, building programme cancellations and budget cuts.