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Old 29-09-2010, 10:52   #915
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Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?

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Originally Posted by darkm View Post
Dont really see anything you download being legal..Since most stuff is copyright protected and the content is digitally protected as well, i would be pretty sure that alot of the stuff you download is not legal from VM newsgroups. Even the stuff you download from the bbc iplayer, it is fine to view is it "30 days", then after that its deleted from your pc.. Why beacuse it does not belong to you..You do make me laugh...Enjoy your Ban by the way [COLOR="Silver"]
If you download stuff from the legal sites (such as iPlayer, iTunes store etc), it is still legal whether it is protected or not, and whether it expires or not.

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Most dodgy boxes are built using the same specs as the sub box. There will be no interference on the network, nothing that would effect other subcribers. Certainey i have never had my viewing disrupted by this! Yes bad cabling, people digging up streets might but those are the stupid people.
TBH, I doubt you'd know if a dodgy box was affecting your connection unless you are able physically check every box connected to your part of the network. I suspect that most VM engineers would not be able to determine that 100% accurately either.

That said, if the dodgy box in question is a hacked VM box, then unless the hacker did something really stupid, it is unlikely to affect the network, but if the install was done badly (and a lot of of dodgy cable installs are), then that will affect the network.

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Same old story really. Why do people do it? Because they can is the simple answer. Why pay for a service if the service your getting is rubbish? Compared to sky Vm lack in the Hd offering. Always playing catch up.
People don't get dodgy Cable boxes because Sky is superior, or because VM is crap (which is debatable). If they did, Sky would not have similar problems with hacking. They don't even do it because they think VM is too expensive for what it offers. Think about that. Primark has invested heavily in security systems for their stores. Why? They sell cheap clothes. Clothes that in a lot of cases are worth considerably less than the system used to protect them and are so cheap that most people would not consider nicking them (Why go to prison for a £3 T shirt?). They do it because people *will* nick those £3 T shirts, and they *will* risk prison to get it, rather than spend £3.

People do it because they don't want to pay for what they recieve. Simple.

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Vm upgrade to Nagra 3 wasnt to do with ending cable piracy..More to do with the fact that the Nagra 1 contract was up..And out of plain courtsey they were allowed to carry on with it while they implemented nagra 3 and in fact the N1 caid is still present. Vm would have still carried on if they hadnt have been out of contract. But as they were forced to upgrade and the fact they wanted more HD channels from sky and were told bluntly to upgrade the encryption.
How do you know this? We have actual staff members (and I mean *verified* staff members) posting on here that VM are doing this to combat piracy.

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has it ended Cable Piracy, no.. People still can get TV without paying for subs. The only thing it has done is cause VM to spend more money on a battle they can never win..
VM will never stop piracy. No security system can ever entirely eliminate crime. That does not mean, however, that they can not limit the effects of piracy (and they are). As such that does not mean they should not try.

After all, how long did On Digital last when their encryption was thoroughly hacked?
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