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					Originally Posted by toonlight  Sorry to say, fiveUSA (ch174), fiveUSA+ (ch175), Fiver (ch176), Fiver+1 (ch177).  Is already on Freeseat with a Freesat card    
So, as was I told over the phone that a Freesat card will let see the + channels plus the rest that is for freesat other than an monthy payment with a sky package.
 
So the future is already here (sky)... freeview is past tense   | 
	
 I'd be careful where you use that dunce smiley ... especially when you yourself don't appear to understand the difference between Freesat and FreesatFromSky, which are two different brands owned by two different organisations and two different channel line-ups.
Freesat doesn't require a card - you buy a Freesat-branded box and receive all available Free-To-Air channels.  The box uses your postcode to deliver the correct regional variations on channels 101-104.
FreesatFromSky 
does require a card (which you have to pay for, in addition to the box).  With the card you get a mere handful of channels not available on true Freesat, because while they are Free-To-View, they are not Free-To-Air (they are encrypted).  This includes Fiver and FiveUS.  You can't run the Sky box without the card, because the card stores your region information.  Without it, you don't get the correct variations on 101-104 (unless you're in London).
... and now you're confusing FreeSAT with FreeVIEW - again, two quite different things. 
