thanks for all the infomation regards this HD dont know if its a blessing or curse i recived the new hd + box from vm was great quality that night colour tubes inside me television acually exploded so now im watching nothing in way of the virgin box till new tv is deliverd in 2 weeks ive unpacked an old pace sky digibox and im restricted to watching freeview well not even them limited channels i know in 2 weeks ill have cracked up or become a gambler as thats all there seems to be in way of channels hahahaha but least catch up tv online is keeping me sane. cheers for the advice guys.