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Originally Posted by danielf
So they should just roll over and accept there will be no or very limited change to a voting system that is a massive disadvantage to them?
This is a time that could make a massive difference to them, and it's not at all clear when they get the next opportunity. I'm not at all surprised they are taking their time.
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But that's what i've been saying. The Tories are trying put the country first, the Lib Dems are trying to put themselves first. I don't care whether this is the best opportunity for them to do it, it's out of order.
There are at least a dozen things off the top of my head that are more urgently needed than voting reform.
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Originally Posted by Damien
The Tories want to form a government with giving the Liberal Democrats as little as possible, The Lib Dems want to be part of a government and want as much as possible. They are bargaining.
I state this again. Despite what Tory Supporters may think, The Tories do not have a clear mandate to govern and must make compromises in order to do so. I love the idea of portaying the idea of PR as somehow a undemocratic power-grab, there are reasons to oppose it but it is more democratic than the current system, people get the parliament they voted for. Seems fair to me.
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The Tories have made numerous concessions, and I understand they don't have a clear mandate to govern. However it appears the Lib Dems are being patently obstructive here.
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Originally Posted by Matt D
They're not forcing anything on the public. You can always vote "No" in a referendum...
Why should the Lib Dems just walk straight into a coalition with the Tories without getting some sort of deal? The Tories have no mandate to govern - they need the support of the Lib Dems, whether as part of a formal coalition, or some sort of "confidence & supply" deal.
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Its the Tories that have offered the referendum. The Lib Dems haven't agreed to that yet. The Lib Dems want to bring AV in unconditionally whether the public want it or not. So if the Lib Dems get their way (and they have ALL the power at the moment) I won't even get a chance to vote. Labour have offered unconditionally to introduce AV. So if they form a coalition I still won't get a say in it.
I know people keep saying "this happens all the time in ............. it's fine" but the fact that we can have 3 years of one unelected prime minister and then 5 more years with another unelected prime minister backed by a coalition of the 2 least voted-for parties puts us on par with a banana republic IMO.