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Old 08-05-2010, 11:28   #638
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Re: 2010 General Election: The Cable Forum Exit Poll

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet View Post
Now I feel up to answering this a bit more.



No they aren't 'open' to it they've rammed it down our throats and even themselves admit they made mistakes being so open hence the belated attempts to fix it through a points system.



Any reasonable human being wants to help poorer families this is nothing exceptional. The problems are two fold though: throwing money at poorer families and making them better off not working doesn't help them get themselves out of poverty it just encourages them to live off the state. Government should be incentivising work and, yes, punishing those who choose not to work and want to make a living off of other people's money. Giving people a sense of entitlement without contribution as imho Labour have just makes people less likely to seek work and leads to other social issues not least of which is a general lack of character among the underclass Labour have bred.

Issue two is that someone has to pay for this social security. It's not fair and not right for people who are working hard, paying their taxes and contributing to see others living in financially better circumstances without lifting a finger. Few things lead to friction much better than people going to work, getting their P60 at the end of the year showing how much tax they just paid, counting how little money they have left after they've paid all their bills and reading stories of people who don't work for no apparent or genuine reason clearly having more disposable income than them. This is only good for a group that are 'traditionally' Labour supporters, it's extremely bad for society generally



Not the case.

Looking back on the previous 13 years with some hindsight Labour have spent an awful lot of the taxpayer's money on appealing to their core vote and indeed have been horribly partisan in many ways with how they've run the country. They've attempted to fix this partisanship not by modifying their own policies but by trying to modify the country through unprecedented levels of immigration, unprecedented levels of governmental advertising and through authoritarian legislation.

Again - nothing I can say will change your thoughts and I've no intention of trying to. If you benefited from Labour then great, the UK, however, most certainly did not - your tax bill will be confirming this shortly.

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You couldn't be much more diametrically opposed to me

I can assure you though that there is no way unless hell freezes over that the UK will go anywhere near the Old Labour model of society again. Brown tried it and oh, look, we're in a ton of debt again. On the upside for those who weren't enjoying the enhanced welfare or public sector money that Brown spent it should at least be a reminder for another generation that socialism and big government is a bad idea in a cosmopolitan, capitalist economy.

Old Labour is obsolete. The world is too competitive and too small now for a country that relies on international business as heavily as ours to move to the level of taxation required to support the size of government Old Labour would want. A large proportion of the population are also a tad too libertarian despite Labour's attempts to import those of a more socialist mindset

I am actually feeling quite excited at the prospect of Liberal Conservatism. I just hope they can get their issues resolved and do it right. If they can it should bury Labour, of either flavour, for decades
Brown was in no way old Labour...
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