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Originally Posted by Flyboy
No it doesn't, it says that action will be taken if pubs do not actively take steps to reduce incidents.
As far as I know it is not a crime to wear any football shirt.
It would also have been handy of you had posted a link to the original source.
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Flyboy, tell me, what steps do you think the police could take?
One of them would be the revoking of their licence, correct?
You are correct in one aspect, it is not a crime to wear a football shirt, but it would seem that the Met with nothing better to do are making it one.
As for a link to the original source, I am quite sure that people who frequent these pages, including yourself, are intelligent enough to do a google?
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Originally Posted by TheDon
There's a huge difference between "actively promoting crime" and "not actively supporting the prevention of crime".
Why is it a publicans job to "actively support the prevention of crime"? It's not, it's their job to follow licensing laws, and it's the polices job to actively prevent crime.
If it all kick off in a pub where the landlord has followed the licensing laws (e.g. not serving people who are clearly drunk) then that's their responsibility fulfilled. Wearing England tops or not doesn't come in to it. If people want to pick a fight based on a top being worn that is not for the landlords to "actively prevent".
The 3rd option, that lies between "actively promoting crime" and "not actively supporting the prevention of crime, of "doing what is required by law", should be all any landlord is expected to do, and threats of using licensing law to shut down pubs that are doing just that because they aren't following "guidance" that suggests infringing on the rights of it's patrons is ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by punky
No they are threatning to withdraw licenses if pubs don't control their punters
Something that's been standard practice for years now. Still, if you can twist the facts to fit your own agenda, that's your right...
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Punky, it is not the job of a landlord to " control their punters " as you put it.
Feel free to tell me how it is?
It is their job to refuse to serve a clearly drunk " punter "
Not refuse a " Punter " wearing a football shirt.
Tell me where you get your information from that it " has been standard practice for years now " to refuse to serve a person wearing a football shirt?
It is not me twisting the facts as you put it, but if you see it that way, that is your right, I really do not care.
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Originally Posted by admars
I remember being with a friend in London, and a pub wouldn't let him in, as they had a no football shirt policy.
he pointed out it was actually a Wales rugby shirt, not a football shirt he was wearing, but they still wouldn't let him in!
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If that pub has a sign at the entrance stating what you claim that is their right, you still see pubs with signs at the entrance stating the dress code that they want in their pub.
If that is what they want and I happen to be wearing a football shirt I can visit another pub.
Shopping centres ban the wearing of hoodies, what is the difference?
But for the police to get involved in dictating what people should wear that is a different matter, if disorder breaks out because people are wearing football shirts that is the time to step in and make arrests.
Think I will do an information request asking for the figures relating to crime committed by football shirt wearing people.