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Originally Posted by Neil22

Vote for the Tories if you want your pants taking down bending over and bum raping by the millionaire gang.

If you really want to be took all the way and be sailed down the river vote Lib Dem.

If you like what we've got now albeit we are in a recession which every Government has witnessed then vote Labour.

Yep I'm loving the doubling of the national debt since 1997 along with Labour's overly optimistic plans which will still result in it being increased by another 50% over the next years and very much looking forward to leaving the next generation to pick up the bills because this one is so selfishly hooked on state and welfare and refuse to give any of it up just because it's unaffordable.

I'm sure plenty like what we've got. Shame that, through Labour's policies and disregard for fiscal responsibility, we're stealing from our children to get it. Gordon Brown has ensured that they will all have more debt, directly gained from his tenure as Chancellor and PM, than it cost to school them. Indeed interest payments have just overtaken the cost of education.

But hey, we're alright Jack, the public sector having enlarged by a million still hiring like crazy even when private enterprise is feeling the pinch and tax receipts are dropping, having ever increasing bureaucracy, more welfare, more tax credits, more wasted money going to an administration tied police, more money for the NHS being burned on non-front line services.

Through all this mass of spending and enlargement of the public sector we have the most people out of work since records began and the only group actually hiring being the government. Yes, it's our children's future they're mortgaging to do this hiring.

Of course you'll still vote Labour. If you actually believe what you wrote the minor issue of facts isn't going to bother you. Certainly doesn't bother the Labour party, it's neatly filed next to running deficits in the 'We don't care' pile.

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Originally Posted by Neil22

Can't argue with these facts can you??

I can certainly argue with these facts, I'll just pick on a couple though for now as I'm busy.

Originally Posted by Neil22

violent crime is down 41 per cent.

Try again. Labour changed the way the data was compiled in 2002. If we actually compare like for like...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-revealed.html

But now an analysis by researchers at the House of Commons library has indicated that violent crime rose from 618,417 offences in 1998 to 887,942 offences last year.

Originally Posted by Neil22

A new flexible Australian-style points-based system for immigration to ensure only those economic migrants who have the skills our economy needs can come to work in the UK.

Introduced in 2008, after 11 years of Labour rule, during which time we experienced record immigration and record emmigration by British-born citizens.

Originally Posted by Neil22

Police numbers up by almost 17,000 since 1997, alongside more than 16,000 Police Community Support Officers.

Well needed to cope with all the additional paperwork.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ff-the-beat.do

For all officers the total amount of time spent on paperwork increased by 1.3% over two years to 19.7% in 2006/7. At the same time the total amount of time spent on patrol fell from 15.3% to 13.6%.

Couldn't be bothered with showing that the NHS is hiring more administration staff than doctors or nurses, or that there are more managers than consultants within the NHS. Sound bites are easy to copy/paste. Now let's go into something that doesn't look so hot.

In 1997 debt was at 41.2% of GDP and the country was running a surplus, prior to a recession in the 90s it had gone as low as 25.27% as the Tory governments paid the bills. We then had a fantastic debt fuelled 11 years of growth, the majority of which once the Tories' budgets had run out was spent by Gordon Brown running a deficit. In 2010 we have debt of 53.5% of GDP, this ignoring any liabilities from nationalised banks, etc, which put it a shade over 60%.

This is actually creative financing as there's another 56.6bn off the balance sheet in PFI and PPP liabilities.

The government is hoping to reduce our deficit to a mere 5.6% of GDP in 4 years and their plans have been derided as hopelessly optimistic. As a country we'll have a net public sector debt of over a trillion pounds before then end of the next government.

Those my friend are facts, you can obtain them from the Office of National Statistics and Parliament's libraries rather than sound bites from a Labour supporter.

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While we're discussing all that you might get a kick out of this:

Over the last decade, there has been a rapid increase in government spending. OECD figures show that the UK increased total government outlays from 36.6 per cent of GDP in 2000 to a projected 53.4 per cent in 2010. That is a 45.9 per cent increase against a 15.7 per cent increase across the developed world.

Treasury figures suggest that Total Managed Expenditure has risen from 36.3 per cent of GDP in 1999-00 to 48.1 per cent in 2010-11. Based on European Central Bank research estimates of the effect of spending increases on growth, that increase in spending may be reducing the trend rate of growth by 1.53 percentage points.

The same analysis suggests that GDP in 2010-11 is already £111 billion lower than it would have been without the increase in spending since 2000. That is equivalent to over £4,000 per family.

Labour are spending money at a similar rate, as a % of GDP, to Sweden, a country where taxation is nearly 50% of the entire country's income, close to the rate of France and are spending more as a % of the economy than Germany or the Netherlands.