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Originally Posted by Osem
It was bound to happen and it's right that the Lib Dems should be exposed to the same level of scrutiny as the other parties if they stand a realistic chance of influence and power.
In spite of what Clegg has said about Gordon Brown, it's clear to me that the Lib Dems will support New Labour and for that reason I don't think I could bring myself to vote for them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8633655.stm
After all the damage he's done, the thought of anyone extending Brown's role in our government is frightening.... |
I'm not sure that what the Sun has been printing is what I would call "scrutiny" though...
Why is it clear to you that the Lib Dems would support New labour?
Still,
if they did support Labour in the event of a hung parliament, hopefully one of the conditions would be "Give Brown the boot!"
Were New Labour to get the most seats in a hung parliament, but lose the popular vote, I can't see Brown struggling on for much longer anyway.
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Originally Posted by Chris
Realistically, how would a Lib-Lab coalition work? How could it possibly work? The Liberal Democrats, AFAIK, are committed to reversing a lot of the odious, authoritarian outrages Labour has put on our statute book over the past 13 years, like the way the DNA database is used, the national ID card, rights of protest, 28 day detention.
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Yup.
Lib Dems on Civil Liberties
The Freedom Bill
(as for how it would work if they were in a coalition with Labour
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Originally Posted by danielf
Good points Chris. And valid reasons for preferring a Conservative/LibDem coalition. Personally, I'm not sure which way I want it to go. Just that change is needed (for the longer term) and that the LibDems need to be part of it. For me, Electoral Reform and Civil Liberties are two major issues, and the Tories seem more likely to act on those than Labour.
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I trust the Tories more on Civil Liberties than New Labour (hard not to really!).
For Electoral Reform, though, AFAIK although the Tories do at least agree with the need for some sort of partially elected upper house, they are still in favour of FPTP for the Commons.
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Originally Posted by Damien
In terms of electoral reform the worst thing that can happen is the Tories win a working majority. They will do nothing in terms of changing the system. Best case: Labour win the most seats, not a majority, and come third in the popular vote. RIOTS!! |
This. (IMO) (without the riots though
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If Labour win more seats than the Tories, but with a lower share of the popular vote, & no-one party has an overall majority, it should surely & finally give them all a good kick up the arse (which they all most definitely need!), plus give the Tories reason to actually support electoral reform for the HoC (instead of continuing to insist that FPTP works fine).