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Originally Posted by Sirius

I have to say Clegg is doing well, Its a shame he is in charge of a party i will never vote for because i cannot agree with there tree hugger policies. Brown has lost this debate completely and i hope the election . Its such a same Clegg is a liberal democrat or he would have changed my vote because of his performance.

As I asked before, which "tree hugger" policies are they then?

[And going back to an earlier question, "What obvious sucking up to Labour"?]

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35001355-post77.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...l#post34998633

Originally Posted by Sirius

I don't have a problem with there pay increase, However what use is an army against nuclear weapons if your army does not have them to defend yourself with should you be attacked by those that have them.

Clegg will get rid of them and possibly leave us open to attack from those that are striving to own these weapons. The problem with the Libs is that they would role over rather than defend and removing our Nuclear deterrent shows there true colours

http://www.libdems.org.uk/defence.aspx

http://www.libdems.org.uk/siteFiles/...%20Defence.pdf

Originally Posted by Lib Dem's on Defence

No to like-for-like Trident. Full-scale Trident is a Cold War system intended for a by-gone age. It is unnecessary and, at £100bn over a lifetime, it is unaffordable. We will hold a full defence review to establish the best alternative for Britain’s future security.

http://network.libdems.org.uk/manife...festo_2010.pdf

Originally Posted by Lib Dem Manifesto

• Saying no to the like-for-like replacement of the Trident nuclear
weapons system, which could cost £100 billion. We will hold a full
defence review to establish the best alternative for Britain’s future
security.

Given the state of the economy, & given the kind of cuts needed, is it *really* worth spending that much money on a full like-for-like replacement of Trident? [Note that they haven't said "We will completely & utterly scrap the UK's nuclear deterrent".]

And besides... Who would nuke us? Seriously? Surely the biggest nuclear threat against us at the moment is the threat of a terrorist nuclear attack, rather than an attack by a nation? You can't nuke terrorists in retaliation...

But if we were nuked, and we did not have our own nuclear deterrent anymore whatsoever (which isn't what is actually being proposed), then as we are a member of NATO & an ally of the US, the US would retaliate for us, as an attack on one NATO member is an attack on all.