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Originally Posted by ashgray

if it was to ballot for a strike and it was held by the union i would trust it and be bound by the result.but if any member of the management touched it with out a union member there i wouldn't trust it to be a fair ballot at all and would ask for the ballot to be retaken..

And I would equally take the opposing viewpoint.

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Originally Posted by ashgray

you don't know the half of it sat in your nice comfy offices at your nice little pc's.

Yes, we're getting to the knuckle of it now.

I sit, mostly, in a comfy office at a nice little PC, but I worked hard to get here.

I grew up in Thatchers Britain, with a father who was long term unemployed from when I was 14 (and who never worked again until his death a few years later) A mother that worked part time. We were raised on the benefit system that was in place at the time.

I got part time work, put myself through college and university and got myself a career, so don't give me the poor me bulls**t.

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Originally Posted by LondonRoad

You're getting very close. The leaders of trade unions, largely, are supporters of the Labrador party. If those people had the choice there would be no industrial unrest at this important time in the electoral calendar.

They don't have the choice because their paymaster is not Gord awful Brown or Totally Bliar. Their pay and position comes from the card holding trade unionist.

I'm not suggesting any conspiracy theory but in election year who benefits most from industrial unrest?

If I was Tory loving business leader I can see the advantage of being more forceful on some industrial issues if I knew I was going to get the support of the right wing press - especially in election year

How's this for another scenario:

Unite are one of (if the biggest) contributer to Labour Party funds.

We are very close to an election.

multiply those two factors and you have government that will lean hard on BA to settle the dispute.

That is what this about.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

legions of unelected quangos are ruling more and more of our lives.

There you have my full support, lives would be better and billions would be saved by getting rid of these groups, I hear of a new one everyweek popping up on Breakfast news to give us their report, that nobody asked for.