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Originally Posted by G UK
I'd qualify that as being those who were full time students. I did my degree part time whilst working in Engineering Full Time since leaving school at 16 and completing my apprenticeship.
Its quite an eye opener seeing the lazy full time students moaning about there assignments when you are doing the same assignments whilst also working full time and then going back into work the next day and seeing some recently graduated, now with a piece of paper think they should be in a management position after doing a "graduate scheme".
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Funnily enough, I was a full time student. I *did* however work hard and between my degree and the part time job I needed to finance it, I rarely worked for less than 45 hours a week..
We still get students moaning about how much work they do (and some do work very hard), but we get a lot that leave everything to the last minute, then come in and bitch that our facilities are overloaded when the courseworks are due in. They are, but to get over that problem, we'd need to buy ten times the amount of equipment we have, and the bulk of that equipment would only be used for 2 or 3 weeks a term.
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Unfortunately most technical roles where I work now require a degree but many graduates believe that these roles are below them, within a few months (nowhere near enough time to learn the job) the grads tend to move on with a tick in a box saying they have done the role. Unfortunately that leaves the roles open and having to be filled by contractors who are expensive and therefore eventually outsourcing takes over.
What should be happening is that people should be encouraged to train by working these roles from leaving school and be given the chance to develop through promotion within the role, this gives a high level focused competence and expertise. Add to this focused degrees for more advanced technical subjects as they should be and you end up with a highly capable workforce at all levels rather than every man and his dog having a degree and therefore expecting to be high up the tree.
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The problem is we have had years of society telling us to get a degree for a better job, and years of various governments (at least the last 20 years) encouraging Universitys to take on as many students as possible, so the universitys have been actively encouraging the idea that you need a degree to get on.
The trouble is, it leaves us with a society where you need a degree to do basic jobs, and with people who have a degree thinking that because they have the degree, they don't need a basic job.