RizzyKing

Ok just so we're clear i am not as i have said an advocate of pirates nor do i in anyway support their activity or condone it so please stop trying to make it look as though i do or have ever been or show something that says different. You talk about me talking nonsense but then you say "ask the ex employees of Zavvi, Fopp and Woolworths" as though they all fell because of piracy which is completely untrue woolsworth fell because of lousy management and zavvi were dragged down by that.

Personally i would like to talk to reasonable people from both sides of this to have a better idea of the fundamental ideology behind their respective stances and simply saying by the old business model highlights for me exactly what is wrong. The world has changed and the old business model isn't too well suited it seems to modern times so perhaps it is time for a new model to be adopted one that finds some middle ground that is acceptable for all partys. Not everyone who downloads is an evil thieving ******* anymore then every media exec is a slimy profit mongerer.

I can see why the industry's involved don't like piracy as i imagine it means people are able to fully try\listen or watch something before parting with money and many of these media companys have gotten entirely too used to pumping out the same tosh and rehashing things. I know from my own experience that many films now are totally generic and much of a muchness i don't mind as i buy them from bargain bins which is what i can afford. I buy about two pc games a year but i am aware that there are so many virtual copies of the same game that it would be very easy to spend a lot of money and feel ripped off. Thats what i mean when i say it isn't all black and white people won't buy if they are not confident that they are paying for quality and in my experience people will happily part with their money if they know they are getting a quality product.

There have been many people saying there needs to be a change and not all of them are idiots as you clearly feel i am for having an opinion different to yours so it isn't as clear cut as you would like it to be. But just so we're clear are you saying you would support the snooping of all user's so that piracy can be cut if it actually works that way. Thats my problem here i don't even know how you pirate stuff is it like games patches where you go to certain sites or do you buy a program that takes you there (please if your someone that knows i don't want to know i am just highlighting my complete ignorance of it), thats how much of an advocate i am for it.

I would just like those involved on both sides of this to be able to speak and maybe have a rational and useful debate on the subject and for any media people that are on here or any pirates i would welcome a private message type chat to better understand this issue as i fully understand why if there are any pirates on CF they would not wish to make that public.