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Originally Posted by Flyboy

First of all there is no evidence that the person involved was not born in this country. Being a Muslim does not mean that they were foreign.

Indeed, the nationality of the lodger hasn't been revealed afaik, but the religion is non-indigenous to the UK. The point I was making was in reference to Stuart's comment about certain other cultures/religions not taking lightly to anyone taking a "pop at their God". We are supposed to tolerate this, it is part of what makes our system free, and its something we should all take pride in.

Secondly, what are those traditions and values, or "rules and customs"? Are they the ones that promote and welcome diversity and tolerance of others? Or the ones that that say, "if you want to live in this country, abide by our rules, or else?"

It certainly isn't the one where you abide by our rules or we cut your head off. I'd describe it more in line with the spirit of free speech that exists within this country, where it doesn't in others. Within the spirit of free speech which exists here, you can state you believe that all religions are only as real as Santa Claus and/or the Tooth Fairy, but you cannot shout "Fire!" in a crowded cinema. The problem exists where we as individuals have to decide where to draw the line, some people can't do this for reasons which escape me to this day.
If the offended lodger in question was merely minding her own business and then found herself verbally assaulted, then clearly there is little doubt as to where the blame lies. On the other hand, from the initial account of the incident - it seemed to me that they were all having a discussion, and some things were said that the other party disagreed with. This is still early days yet, and the newspaper accounts mean relatively little, in time we'll get the full scoop.

There is no evidence reported that the Vogelenzangs were anything other than malignant, or that they were anything but benign, but whatever they were, was clearly enough for the police to investigate and the CPS to recommend a prosecution.

A friend of mine was due to be prosecuted for being 3 mph over the speed limit whereas the "guidelines" state 10% + 2mph. It was 33mph in a 30 iirc, whereas the guidelines state 36 mph to face points and a fine. Even though such proceedings defy everyday common sense, the police clearly didn't take issue with such action being taken.