[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by rogermevans

the book thing is valid especially if we take it like a album as i can quit legally photo copy part of that book say a chapter ( one song ) and keep it they even set up the photo copier up for you it may cost a little though not much but i still get to keep it permanently

That exemption is for research for a non-commercial purpose or purposes of private study - know as fair dealing. If the exemption covers Music,TV and Film, then you would be talking about portion of a track, TV show or film.

You could not copy a whole track nor could you pass the copy you had made onto anyone else - as that would break the exemption

plus staying with the book comparison i can get old books at greatly reduced prices and as a lot of the downloads out there are old its a good comparison but the industry seems to think all downloads should be cunted at the same very high value as new ones

Then why do the oldest books get sold for so much? Shouldn't they be really cheap or free because they are so old? Sometimes something being old holds more value than something new

as to trying to get as many as possible misses what is needed and i am not having a go at virgin untimely the music industry lets all their songs from all the different labels be accessed this just wont work

It will hopefully work to a point. You are never going to be able to get every song or every label on board, but at least you hopefully will get to a tipping point

as to radio head any one trying to go it alone will not succeed that goes just as much for those who though maybe well intentioned just give away their stuff separately from others in just the same way as tose charging for thier stuff ringfenced from all others will not succeed either

So if the labels do something like the Virgin Media thing then it is 'them trying to hold on their vast profits'. If a band does something without the labels then its futile because they are doing it on their own?

what i will have a go at virgin and any other company is the use of words that make it seem they have every thing or they are unlimited when they are not

Virgin haven't said they have everything - and as for the unlimited thing - we don't know what that meants. It could really mean unlimited

as to me saying that its ok to copy music that's crap yep in a way i am as i bet that crap music lasts for a very little time on anyone's MP3 player they try it they don't like it they don't buy the cd

Maybe if they don't like it they shouldn't listen to it full stop?

and why do i say its ok because its the new radio i never paid to listen to records before i bought them when i was young i often heard the whole album on the radio many times before buying it

But when radio plays a record then the artists get paid!

now loads of these kids just listen to their downloads instead to pick what they want and they are out there buying online more than ever before and still buying the cds

the music industry must start to see this as advertising and find ways to use it to their advantage rather than trying to criminalise a generation who wont care about what they think anyhow the idea that every downloads is lost cash must if they want to progress instead be see as another chance someone will buy

And they are trying. Which is why things like Spotify and the this VM product need to work.

If you can get people to use streaming to browse music - for which the artists will get paid - and the download the tracks they want legally, for which the artists will get paid, then there wouldn't be an issue

if i was them i would start chucking out even more stuff unfinished songs and ones that they didn't think should make the cd ect see what the buying public like!

That is exactly what the labels that everyone hates do! They see which albums make a lot of money, drop the bands that dont and everything sounds the same.

To have vibrant culture you need to have a range of music and influences. To do that you have to get people to want to perform music, and for them to do that they have to be able to make a living out of it

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Oh and this may prove interesting reading http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-102...=2547-1_3-0-20

Jammie Thomas-Rasset, the Joan of Arc of file sharing, was found guilty of willful copyright infringement on Thursday in a Minneapolis federal court and must pay the recording industry $1.92 million.

And that was in a Civil court for 24 songs