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Originally Posted by BenMcr
This is from the EFF http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/06...dead-in-france - nowhere in the report does it say the ISPs had any issue with it
In fact the French law doesn't seem to have required ISPs to be monitors in the first place - but for people to allege copyright infringement to a government body who would then issue the disconnection order
And according to this http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...trikes-law.ars - the EU is still interesting in such a law, as long as the proper legal body is first consulted
TBH that seems to be more about the calculations used to calculate the lost revenue - based on the total number of times it had been shared - rather than something slightly more sensible
BTW he got still ended up in jail for 18 months http://www.sbytes.info/wp/?p=284
Yes I agree that that it says that, but it doesn't excuse it. That article is also trying to make the point that the main reason for illegal downloads is because there is no sensible legal alternative - which is part of what the Virgin Media Music service (along with things like Spotify) is trying to address.
Yes, people should be able to do stuff with it as they like for their own personal use - they doesn't mean copying to anyone else.
Why should Music and TV/Film be different to a book or anything else where someone has invested time, effort and money to make it and expects something in return? Or are you arguing that anything anyone creates should be copied?
Once they grasp that people won't pay for anything if they don't have to, so they stop asking them to, they will make some money? How does that work?
There is certainly an element to that, and maybe Lost was the wrong example. But you only have to look at ITV to see what a loss of revenue will do to programming |
ISP's and policing
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/20...e-internet-p/1
there loads more like this over the last few years including ones from virgin / ntl
as to the French their upper court ( i forget its name ) struck it down because there was no checking by the courts
see
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...ses-it-out.ars
but in anycase Europe seems to want to insist that a court would have to rule and even then most likely still wouldn't be disconnection as they pushing for it to be a fundamental right
http://www.betanews.com/article/EU-P...ght/1241651104
with which the french courts seem to agree
as to the figures quoted for losses they are complete fiction they are based on every download being a lost sale which is daft and based on guessed figures of how many downloads there were
they are as about as useful to a discussion on this as a guess on how many grains of sand there are in the world, and in anycase as spending on music is going very well compared to other industries and probably completely pointless as these downloads most likely are the reason that that spending is so high as its free advertising
where their money is coming from is changing trying to fight this is imho as futile as commanding the tide not to come in
see
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/...ried-wolf.aspx
as to the why should it be different what difference are you talking about if we are talking about books i can read them for free with out ever paying an author a penny completely legally ( Library any one ? )
may be we should lvl the playing field and get the same laws for books applied to DVD's and CD's
in fact books are a good way to show it works for despite there being a perfectly free way to access them people still buy books ( lol i should know there are about 2k of them in my house i love reading
) and when i buy a book i can share it with anyone i want i read it my wife my friends my mum etc i can even sell it on and keep all the money i get for it
and before you moan that thats not the same as i cant keep a copy as i can with an MP3 i can still get it again free from the library or often rebuy it from a second hand book stall extremely cheaply often just months after its been released ( and i still buy lots as they are released lol i must learn to wait and get them cheaper )
if you make the music good people will buy it again personally i think a big reason for lack of sales is that most of it now is just repackaged and plastic bands made by advertising companies ( no its not me just thinking all new music is crap lol ) some is great and i have those CD's and so did a lot of others but there is tons released every week that no one buys and i would suggest they downloaded it and didn't like it and Not thought that their MP3 was such good quality they didn't need the CD
back to the point ( yep i know i go off at odd angles lol blame my dyslexia
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with the library for any of these services to work they must be like the library and cover all books i mean music tracks if i had to go to different libraries for each book publisher i don't think they would have survived same goes for this because even though we may only be talking about switching web addresses people just wont they want a one stop shop