[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by rogermevans

ben the industry has been in the press often here and abroad moaning that they didnt want to be the police on this and the 3 strike thing was dropped mainly because of their objections ( just do a few searches if you dont belive me )

This is from the EFF http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/06...dead-in-france - nowhere in the report does it say the ISPs had any issue with it

In fact the French law doesn't seem to have required ISPs to be monitors in the first place - but for people to allege copyright infringement to a government body who would then issue the disconnection order

And according to this http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...trikes-law.ars - the EU is still interesting in such a law, as long as the proper legal body is first consulted

as to the copying of mp3's meaning lost revenue i have to laugh even in the USA where this idea came from its now not even seen that way by the courts see http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18189

TBH that seems to be more about the calculations used to calculate the lost revenue - based on the total number of times it had been shared - rather than something slightly more sensible

BTW he got still ended up in jail for 18 months http://www.sbytes.info/wp/?p=284

in fact research done by Frank N Magid suggest that copying actually make the industry money as those doing it buy more DVD's and go to more movies and rent more movies than the average person by quite a bit and although this research was mostly about film it applies equally to music

see http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/tech...asing-dvd.html

Yes I agree that that it says that, but it doesn't excuse it. That article is also trying to make the point that the main reason for illegal downloads is because there is no sensible legal alternative - which is part of what the Virgin Media Music service (along with things like Spotify) is trying to address.

any company that wants to make this work needs to consider what ever they sell as sold and that those who bought it can do with it as they wish

Yes, people should be able to do stuff with it as they like for their own personal use - they doesn't mean copying to anyone else.

Why should Music and TV/Film be different to a book or anything else where someone has invested time, effort and money to make it and expects something in return? Or are you arguing that anything anyone creates should be copied?

once they grasp that idea they may find that people will buy and they may even make some money

Once they grasp that people won't pay for anything if they don't have to, so they stop asking them to, they will make some money? How does that work?

as to downloading of tv shows killing off them that to is laughable the reason lost ect are so big is because they got downloaded and shared and hence talked about

There is certainly an element to that, and maybe Lost was the wrong example. But you only have to look at ITV to see what a loss of revenue will do to programming