[rogerdraig]

if you had the evidence fair enough i didn't ( with the best will in the world i wouldnt trust the evidence presented as fact on tv or in the papers i have seen first hand how far they will twist anything to thier agenda )

as to his speed i wont say that that speed would always be not in control but in this situation it does seem he did go to fast for the conditions and how far he could see a oint i made earlier that i tried to teach them that the limits were theirs not just the cars wich may be capable of more than they were !

neither i nor dereck from what i have read ever said he was justified just that there can be reasons for not using lights and for exceeding the stated limits ( i stand to be corrected if there is such a post )

and i stand by my point that pedestrians best chance of survival is to treat all roads as extremely dangerous