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Originally Posted by Damien
Can we please avoid taking this topic into the realms of those who believe in a Jewish/Zionist conspiracy please, I Know I sometimes am to blame for this kind of thing but I really think that it's time we stop indulging those who wish to do so.
You have made some great posts in this topic, it makes me feel uneasy at an attempt to question you because you obviously have personal experence and a good knowledge of some of the worst of Israel's actions and the innocent victims of their over-the-top punishment.
I did want to point out the problem from the Israeli side though. If you keep getting rockets fired at your people, which will also kill innocent people, and this happens often and without provocation (other than the perceived historical injustice) then cannot you not understand why Israel feels compelled to wipe out these groups once and for all. Not that it's an excuse, but it's not as if Israel is just doing this to be evil or is not provoked.
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And when you are born in conditions where you see barricades and blockades around you, when you spend your early years having your lives controled in where you can work, what you can do, when you grow up knowing you can't really travel out of the place you live in, when you are growing up seeing that a government across the border builds a massive wall around you, then I am sure you can understand why people would be compelled to hate those who are ultimately responsible for your circumstances.
I am not saying firing rockets into Israel is a good thing. The reality is that since Saturday 4 Israelis have been killed, as opposed to 100s of palestinians, the majority who are totally innocent, save for the fact that they elected Hamas to represent them (by the way remember, as soon as they were Elected the western world basically said, Oh We dont like that type of democracy, and closed their eyes to the barricades that Israel put up around Gaza). It seems that Israel feels that 1 Jewish life is equal to 100 Palestinian ones.
The Israeli response has been totally over the top and unjustified. It will also not solve anything apart from killing 100s of innocent people, it will not bring peace into the region. That as well as their determination not to let in aid in sufficient quanities, is only going to contribute to the loss of more life. The timing of this campaign and the closeness of the elections adds another unpleasant dimension to the whole thing.
The objective of this assault was to take out Hamas, personnel and infrastructure. Well they have virtually destroyed all Hamas infrastructure in Gaza, and yet they still continue to bomb. The common consensus now, amongst a lot of people that I speak to, is that Israel will not be happy that Hamas is totally wiped up until they kill every single man woman and child in Gaza. The fact that the Western governments call for restraint and yet do nothing about it adds to the feelings that nobody gives a damn about the palestinians.
That feeling of bitterness will sow a lot of seeds for much trouble to come in future years.
Its all very well bringing in the Jordanians and Egyptians, but put those points to any Palestinian today and try telling them that they were worse of under the Egyptians and Jordanians than they are under Israel and see what response you get.