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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo
Xaccers on thing you really need to start doing is stop thinking that people who offer a different view point to yours are ignorant of the situation. Granted you have a very good history of the region, but like I've said before, its not the things that happened 50 years ago that have caused people to be outraged at the Isreali oppression of Palestinians but rather whats been happening in the last 10 or so years.
Israel has flattened more homes in the last 10 years then Jordanians or Eygyptians have, they have slaughtered more children then Jordanians and Eygptians have, they have tortured more palestinians than the Jordanians or Egyptians have.
Additionally its all very well talking of Palestinian friends who experienced the Jordanian refugee camps, but I talk to plenty of Palestinians who have family in the area now. And to be honest they'd rather be in a Jordanian refugee camp then in their current situation.
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Israel pulled out of Gaza less than 10 years ago, you may have noticed that, and they were asked to bulldoze their settlements so that the PA wouldn't have to deal with it. What did they get for it? More attacks against their civilian populations. There are plenty of IDF bases around Gaza, but instead of targetting them (because it would guarentee a retaliation PDQ) Gazans target towns and villages.
As for buldozing houses in the territories, again, if you knew the reasons why, then you may not be trying to make the same false point (after all, whereas Jordan and Egypt kept them in squalid camps for 20 years, Israel has provided housing, medical care, gas, water and electricity).
It was an IDF soldier I know who, along with his colleagues were shocked to find just how badly the refugees were being treated by their "fellow" palestinians from Jordan.
As for civilian deaths, during the 2nd intifada, here's a list of 418 Israeli civilians who were murdered
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...econd_Intifada
That's properly murdered, not because they were attacking palestinians, not because they were close to IDF forces, or the Israeli police, but while going about their normal day to day business.
You don't have to believe the Israeli's defence minister's statement that they are sorry for the civilian deaths in Gaza caused by Hamas firing rockets from civilian areas, you don't have to believe that Israel spends millions a year improving smart weapons to reduce so called collatoral damage because they're having to attack targets in civilian areas, you don't even have to believe that it's Hamas' fault for placing it's people in harms way by launching attacks from residential areas, but to suggest that the Israelis are deliberately trying to attack civilians and compare them with the attrocities that the palestinians have committed, and to go as far as trying to justify those attrocities, you might as well say the 7/7 bombers were justified.