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Originally Posted by chaos23

Hitler comes to power who is a CHRISTIAN

I do wish you'd learn how to quote, really, it isn't difficult.

Anyway, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_H...igious_beliefs

According to some, Hitler had a general plan, even before the rise of the Nazis to power, to destroy Christianity within the Reich. The leader of the Hitler Youth stated "the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement" from the start, but "considerations of expedience made it impossible" publicly to express this extreme position

Hitler expressed admiration for the Muslim military tradition and directed Himmler to initiate Muslim SS Divisions as a matter of policy. According to one confidant, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness..."

Again you're showing your ignorance of history Chaos, exactly how old are you?
You talk of elections, but ignore that Abbas was elected with 62% of the vote.
You also ignore that he, a democratically elected president, dissolved the Unity Government (probably because you had no idea about it, go on, prove me wrong).
So, unless you're saying that the palestinians should only have democracy if it suits Hamas, either you value their democratic process, or you do not. You can't pick and choose, much as you're trying to.

Your own map showed the amount of Jewish owned land, you're also forgetting that Palestine has never existed as a sovereign state, whereas Israel has. So if you're objecting to people being historically pushed out of land, then why not object to the Israelis being pushed out before?

I also note your lack of comment on the current Jordanian occupation of the larger part of what was known as palestine.

Originally Posted by SLM

We have to remember that it wasn't Egyptian or Jordanian banks that flattened Gaza as their troops were withdrawing, it's not Egyptians and Jordanians that are now oppressing palestinians in Gaza, by sealing off borders, by refusing sufficient international aid, by not allowing them to travel outside Gaza to look for work.

No, instead they offered them no work, gave them no food or medical supplies, made them live in tents.
As for "flattening Gaza" when they withdrew, that's an excellent example of the ignorance of the situation.
The PA agreed to Israeli homes in Gaza being destroyed so that they would not have the issue of what to do with them and the riots they feared would ensue.

Originally Posted by SLM

It's all very well saying Palestinians suffered under the hands of Egyptians and Jordanians, but in all honesty, the current anger amongst palestinians and many people, muslims and non muslims, around the world, is that Israel continue to oppress the Palestinians. It's the blasai (sp?) attitude that the Israelis have in thinking its ok to kill hundreds of civilians because they 'support' Hamas, or that murdering children is fine because they happen to be caught up in the crossfire.

Whereas Hamas think it's ok to deliberately target civilians rather than catch them in a crossfire or because they're close to military targets (which funnily enough Israel doesn't tend to place near civilians, unlike Hamas)