Well the time has come to leave this thread as it is as predicted gone down the same worn out oft travelled road these type of threads always go down
. This really isn't a topic that can ever be rationally debated on CF as there are just way too many people looking for the slightest thing to get defensive about. Also way too much attacking of anything other then what some members believe in i really can't be bothered anymore. Each to their own whatever that may be and lets all just get along.