Cable Forum - View Single Post - I have to pay for a wireless router that is free to new customers?

popper · 21-09-2008, 01:46

yes its OT, so i dont want to post reams of text, i dont have a target, it was just WDINATs contention or implication that consumers cant and shouldnt fight the big and brave UK ISPs and their legal teams, as they are always right in their legal thinking and implimentations of the law.

Phorm being the current in voge legal subject and a perfect example to show why these companys can infact be influenced by little old you and me without needing to withdraw our cashflow and run away to another ISP instead.

at some point VM and CPW will have to officially trial it or dump it.

they cant just install it and switch it on one day hopeing it works first time every time, assuming if they do have another lapse in corporate judgement, install and run it over consumers and websites generated dataflow, and forget the real possibilitys they the executive team signing it off, can potential face real jail time under current RIPA (existing UK executive stanford case law etc).

that potential legal threat comeing from any single uk person or world wide website owner taking the company to court and getting a guilty ruling at any time.

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yes as i already said any court orders such your CCJ example would be public record and so a viable entry for the CRA database, if its in the courts official public data its a valid order.

your other personal data not covered by the courts rulings IS NOT legally retainable without consent as you say,and we need to look at the EU and UK DPA laws as already covered by the Phorm thread so we all know these facts if you followed that OC.

the 6 years is again a made up rule the private CRA companys made up to keep their profits running, no data no profits to charge the other companys for access.

as the official court rules (as in some court ruleing somewere,i looked and found some once way back, so this case law already exists if you care to look and learn more)made clear, once a consumer contract is finished any and all right that gave the company to collect,process and/or store your data is also null and void see DPA,so they cant legally retain it, with the EXCEPTION they can retain money owed data UNTIL that account is payed in full.

the laws not difficult to understand, no current valid contract in place,
no rights to retain data of a person can be legally enforced by said private company.

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popper Inactive Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,270	Re: I have to pay for a wireless router that is free to new customers? yes its OT, so i dont want to post reams of text, i dont have a target, it was just WDINATs contention or implication that consumers cant and shouldnt fight the big and brave UK ISPs and their legal teams, as they are always right in their legal thinking and implimentations of the law. Phorm being the current in voge legal subject and a perfect example to show why these companys can infact be influenced by little old you and me without needing to withdraw our cashflow and run away to another ISP instead. at some point VM and CPW will have to officially trial it or dump it. they cant just install it and switch it on one day hopeing it works first time every time, assuming if they do have another lapse in corporate judgement, install and run it over consumers and websites generated dataflow, and forget the real possibilitys they the executive team signing it off, can potential face real jail time under current RIPA (existing UK executive stanford case law etc). that potential legal threat comeing from any single uk person or world wide website owner taking the company to court and getting a guilty ruling at any time. ---------- Post added at 00:46 ---------- Previous post was at 00:21 ---------- yes as i already said any court orders such your CCJ example would be public record and so a viable entry for the CRA database, if its in the courts official public data its a valid order. your other personal data not covered by the courts rulings IS NOT legally retainable without consent as you say,and we need to look at the EU and UK DPA laws as already covered by the Phorm thread so we all know these facts if you followed that OC. the 6 years is again a made up rule the private CRA companys made up to keep their profits running, no data no profits to charge the other companys for access. as the official court rules (as in some court ruleing somewere,i looked and found some once way back, so this case law already exists if you care to look and learn more)made clear, once a consumer contract is finished any and all right that gave the company to collect,process and/or store your data is also null and void see DPA,so they cant legally retain it, with the EXCEPTION they can retain money owed data UNTIL that account is payed in full. the laws not difficult to understand, no current valid contract in place, no rights to retain data of a person can be legally enforced by said private company.